Al Giordano spikes Cenk Uygur’s head after diving one yard for the touchdown

From The Field, one of the greatest (the greatest?) sports-related smackdowns in poliblogosphere history:

The other “Progressives Against Obama” member I’ll take to the woodshed today is radio and TV host Cenk Uygur, for whom the Kagan nomination likewise is not really about Kagan but about Obama himself. He writes:

“My problem with her is my problem with Obama. Cheney and Bush moved the ball 80 yards down-field (sic, as anyone who knows the NFL spells it downfield, without hyphen), whether that was on executive power, warrantless wiretapping, pre-emptive wars or just about any other issue you can think of. And Obama’s bold and brilliant response is to move the ball 10 yards in the opposite direction. Not good enough. Not remotely good enough…

  “He is never going to throw the ball down the field. If you like two yard pick-ups by a running-back going straight up the middle, you’ll love Obama. It’s the Eddie George presidency. What he doesn’t seem to get is that the other side is eventually going to get the ball back and then it won’t seem like a major accomplishment that we went from our own two-yard line to our own twelve-yard line. It’ll be viewed as a tremendous disappointment.”

Actually, Mr. Uygur, you ought to get to know the games of football and of politics before nominating yourself as head coach or quarterback. You should at least know the rules of the game. In football, moving the ball ten yards downfield is precisely good enough. It is called gaining a first down, that which allows your team to remain in possession of the ball and keep battling downfield toward touchdowns and field goals, while denying the opposing team time on the clock to do so.

The name-dropping of running back Eddie George is also revealing as to just how greatly Uygur’s comparison fails epicly: Eddie George, at Ohio State University, won the Heisman Trophy in 1995, and he rushed for more than 10,000 yards in only eight years in the NFL (presidents, by law, can’t last more than eight) and George helped bring his middling team to the Super Bowl in just four years, one first down at a time. In his first season with the Houston Oilers-cum-Tennessee Titans franchise (when George earned the NFL’s Rookie of the Year title), the team won just eight games to eight losses. By 1999, the Titans had 13 wins to three losses and went to the Super Bowl.

What got them there? First downs and ball possession, largely thanks to Eddie George: That team won by running the ball up the field three or four yards per play.

RELATED: John Cole let loose with another great rant on Balloon Juice (the update is full of win), where I found the Giordano link (h/t mey).

Posted by Kevin K. on 05/11/10 at 03:06 PM • Permalink

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I’m thinking WE all need a coalition of our own.  Bloggers Against Progressive Assholes or BAPA for short.

Well shit, they played against the Detroit Lions every week between 2001 and 2003.

As others have pointed out, most recently TBogg at the FDL link, the reaction of Cenq, Jane, Glenn, etc., are disproportionate to the situation.  If I may wander out loud, it’s like they won’t be able to pay their bills, if they don’t gin up enough outrage. Not so much blogging from the left as blogging from the wallet.

It’s a different case from the PUMAs and the neo-PUMAs (BTD, Ian Welch, and the robust ones) who just don’t like Obama, don’t like his youth, don’t like his lack of dramatics, and don’t like one or two other things about him.

Giordano makes a good counter-argument to the argument that Kagan shifts the court to the right.  Shifting the court is all about moving Kennedy’s vote.  At least until one of the red-meat conservatives retires. Oh, and who appointed Glennzilla the judge of all things lefty?

Sign me up for BAPA, and thanks, ya’ll, for being here. You, Cole, Sadly No, TBogg and Edroso are pretty much all that’s left of a sane blogosphere!

Well, insane in a good way, maybe!

I just love Al Giordano.

Not so much blogging from the left as blogging from the wallet.

In Jane’s case, I think it’s equal parts Ego Blogging and Wallet Blogging, with a slight edge towards Ego.

I love it when you call me Big BAPA!

I will say this, well, I’ll actually type it, but what the fuck happened? I can remember calling in to blog radio with Kevin, Steve and some other schlub before the election and we were all pretty convinced that we were looking at a centrist in Obama.

Now I, like a lot of others on the left got pretty damn excited at his victory and even waded into the shallow end of the “he’s gonna validate my beliefs now!” pool, but shit, enough beer, a few good tokes of some sticky Eel River Valley weed and few light slaps from Strange, Kev and Marin set my silly ass straight right quick.

Things went to shit under Bush, it’s going to take an awful long time to correct them and then toss in the glacial-like pace of political change and we’ll be lucky to make it through the next year much less the next decade without self-combusting.

It took this nation nearly 400 years to finally and directly address the evil that was slavery and more than 200 years to recognize the full humanity and agency of women and we’re supposed to fix a banking-corporate-private-ponzi-scheme in a few years?

Where’s my fucking beer…...

Lessig smackdown of Glennzilla here.

I see Jane took time out of her busy schedule to put in a good word for Ereck Ereckson (NYT):

Jane Hamsher, the publisher of the liberal blog FireDogLake, said that many bloggers like Mr. Erickson test rhetorical limits, but “that’s no reason to keep him off the air.” Ms. Hamsher said she would rather debate Mr. Erickson, whom she called an “honest broker,” than an opponent reciting prescribed talking points.

I’m glad to see she saves her wrath for her real ideological enemy, B0.

gimme, I’m on board with BAPA!  Sign me up!

Cesca weighs in here. And more from Steve M. here.

We have our coalition, lol.

I remain amused at the sliver of the netroots that believes that threatening to “primary” everyone who fails the purity test du jour (“Public Option!” “Boo Kagen!”) is a way to flex political muscle and build an organization.

No, my tantrum-prone infants, it’s just a way to demonstrate that you’re fickle, immature, unrealistic, and unreliable, and hence about the furthest thing from a “base” that a politician or party could imagine—therefore, they will ignore you the way most of us ignore that crazy guy at the coffeehouse who keeps trying to give away Jack Chick pamphlets. Enjoy your home under the wheels of the bus, which is where you belong.

Again and again I say: thank gods the Hamshers and Greenwalds of the world weren’t in charge of the civil rights movement. Long ball isn’t their strong suit, clearly.

Also, I want to have Al Giordano’s babies. Well, not really. But you know what I mean. I need a ciggie after that smackdown.

So, GG’s peeps are fanning out to defend him ... *sigh*

Post-Lessig smackdown, they’re being quite contrite on Cole’s blog, saying that all they wanted was a healthy “debate” and completely ignoring the hyperbolic language in the anti-Kagan links they posted earlier in the discussion(s).

What they don’t seem to get is that the hyperbole is not a “quirk” of people like Greenwald that you “need to take with a grain of salt”. These are people who posit themselves as serious journalists and/or legal experts, not snarky internet-dwellers, and people will take and use their arguments word for word in serious contexts. As Lessig proved, your credibility can suffer a serious setback if you don’t moderate your arguments in a rational way that can stand up to serious criticism. And it wasn’t because GG was necessarily wrong in being skeptical about Kagan. It’s because, like every other argument he makes, he voiced his concerns to a degree that begged questions of his own fairness and rationality. He made it into a personal attack on both Kagan and Obama. Thus, whatever salient point is lost underneath the roiling drama of Glenn Greenwald’s “voice”. Such a waste of a good argument.

Everything that you need to know about Firebagger behavior can be gleaned by watching the first few minutes of The Big, Fat Kill section of Sin City, where Benicio Del Toro’s character alternates crude threats with aggrieved statements about the great wrong being done to him by claiming he’s a violent man…

And it’s a lot more entertaining then reading their self-important twaddle…

I kinda like this Paula ... can we keep her?

I keep neat. :D

I note via Greenwald’s twitter feed that he’s changed his tune drastically re Lessig:

Larry @lessig & I have a lot of mutual respect- the rhetoric escalated, but it’s just a good faith dispute over an issue that needs debating

Right, Glenn.  Rhetoric is so fucked up like that.  It just just escalates all on its own and next thing you know your posts are saying that your opponent is “spewing lies” and is a “party apparatchik” “launching” one man “obvious, concerted falsehoods” to discredit you.  There was nothing nobody could do to stop any of it.  What an asshole. 

Also, one of my my favorite internet commenters, FlipYrWhig, had this take on the poutrage posse over at Balloon Juice:

Vanishingly few of the objections to Kagan have anything to do with Kagan. They all have to do with shit-throwing by shit-throwers who want to prove that the existence of shit-throwers on the left who WILL NOT BE IGNORED! They’re envious that when the pundit/pressure group nexus on the right gets worked up, stuff happens, so they’re trying to build a pundit/pressure group nexus on the left. Greenwald might care about Kagan, because he has a binary logic where if you disagree with him on anything you are an abomination who must be smited. Hamsher doesn’t care about Kagan, she cares about being seen as someone who cares about things. And I venture to say that at least 85% of the Kagan skepticism online derives from that basis: for a range of reasons a lot of people decided they didn’t like Kagan, grumbled about it, and still got Kagan, and now they’re mad because THEY SHOULD MATTER TOO, DAMMIT!

Ha!  I’m still looking for a good explanation for their online sycophants’ devotion though.  Why the fuck would anyone feel any allegiance to a blogger?  One that doesn’t make you laugh regularly that is.  Only funny bloggers are worthy of my adulation.

Only funny bloggers are worthy of my adulation.

Co-signed, Lawnguylander!

I’m trying to figure out what you are congratulating yourself over. 

If you want to impress someone with your smackdown of Greenwald’s reasoning, at least do it on his blog, and do more than link to what other people said.

No one is congratulating him or herself over anything, Ubik. We are admiring the work of fellow bloggers who performed the smackdown.

Perhaps it’s shocking, but sometimes when media figures and high-profile bloggers like Greenwald say something controversial, discussion of it actually extends outside that person’s own blog!

Providing links to the work of others is not only an internet tradition (all of which we are aware), it is a form of sharing,an activity we mastered in kindergarten. I hope this helps.

Ubik, if you want to impress Glenn by cleaning his taint with your tongue, at least do it on his blog.

As an Eagles fan, I am disappointed that badscrabblehandforaname didn’t use Corey “2nd & 9” Buckhalter in his failed analogy…

If you want to impress someone with your smackdown of Greenwald’s reasoning, at least do it on his blog, and do more than link to what other people said.

WTF! I though Greenwald’s fan club were largely libertarian, not authoritarian!

It’s the blogosphere. If people were only allowed to respond on the original blog post, the whole shebang would grind to a halt. Besides, you found this post, didn’t you?

badscrabblehandforaname

Specialist, that really made my day. Thank you!

Heh. I know its irony’s been pointed out in the Balloon Juice comments, but this from BTD was choice:

Look, I hate pedantry. I found your comments pedantic, hell, I still do. I hate this kind of thing but so be it—here is the definition of the word “intuition:”

1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
3. a keen and quick insight.
4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.

...

YAFB, some people really do live beyond the reach of parody.

I think Paul Campos is fast exceeding everyone in terms of the amount of butthurt over Kagan’s nomination. He seems to legitimately hold something personal against Kagan.

Also, Cenk is the one who said the left should criticize Obama about literally everything no matter what isn’t he?

Alan Grayson Honors The Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9TRoYMtjs&feature= player_embedded

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God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings. I’m glad to know of you. And proud to be one of you.

See you on the battle field.

Sincerely

jacksmith – WorkingClass :-)

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