Debt Deal Reached? Obama to Speak at 8:40PM

That’s what MSNBC says, anyway.

Posted by StrangeAppar8us on 07/31/11 at 07:38 PM • Permalink

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Well, he saved the world again.

All we have to do is get this through the House and Senate.

Well, it’s something, anyway!

Do we get to open our cans of Tactical Bacon now?

I’m hiding out with my radio, listening to old programming - just ended, a WWII-period (May 1942) Texaco Star Theater production (featuring Marlene Dietrich, hosted by Fred Allen).

What a different vibe that show offers, compared to the state of our national psyche now - even given the fact that the actors were trying to take folks minds off of the scary, uncertain shit they were going into at the time.  Don’t quite know how to describe it - sort of a, yeah things are looking sucky, but right now we’re gonna have a few laughs, interspersed with a few PSAs - e.g., encouraging car pooling (what would the teatards think?) - then presumably getting back to the grim business that Pearl Harbor jolted them into several months earlier.

Comment by meepmeep09 on 07/31/11 at 09:01 PM

@meep — Buy it on vinyl here. That way you can feel good every day. ;->

I am afraid to go to the usuals sites. Can someone tell me how much did Obama sell out the progressives. Also, too, any news from the teabaggers?

PS: Someone needs to explain this whole $30 trillion platinum coin thing to me.

It looks to me like it’s a painful bruise but the patient will live.

It looks to me like it’s a painful bruise but the patient will live.

But will Obama’s plans for reelection?

@Anya — Firebaggers and Freepers hate it, which means it’s probably OK. We don’t get any tax hikes, but we weren’t going to anyway—however, there’s an opportunity for Obama to veto the automatic extension of the Bush tax cuts if the “Super Congress” can’t get its shit together on identifying acceptable budget cuts.

Actual cut targets are minimal (2.3 trillion over 10 years) and probably easily fudgeable. There’s no Balanced Budget Amendment, Obama gets to hike the debt ceiling as needed (although the Congress has three opportunities to “Disapprove” of his actions), and there’s no built-in drama close to the 2012 election, except the fate of the Bush tax cuts.

(I may be confused about some of the details above; but basically I find the whole thing fairly non-heinous, compared to the alternatives and given our actual negotiating leverage in all this).

Again, progressives are bitching because it’s a terrible time to “cut” Federal spending, and the deal is designed to make tax increases nearly impossible. These are perfectly reasonable beefs, in a world where Glitter Ponies could be unleashed to stomp the Tea Party Congressmembers into submission. At the moment, however, I’m happy for a debt ceiling hike that takes us to 2013, and “triggered” spending cuts that exempt SS, Medicare recipients, and programs for the poor.

Basically, the Dems and RINOS have united on a plan that theoretically cuts the Tea Party out of the decision-making process, which is a kind of bipartisanship I can get behind.

Whether this can actually clear either house remains to be seen, of course. In which case, we have to consider minting the $30 trillion platinum coin.

That way you can feel good every day. ;->

Naw, that’s what porn is for.

That platinum thingy you mentioned looks like desperation gimmickry based on loophole-ish Constitutional language. However, commenters in Stan Collender’s post (linked in your links) give it a lot more serious consideration than I would have expected from the econ crowd.

Little tip - keep your $1,000,000,000,000 platinum coins away from lead or barium compounds in high temperature conditions, to avoid irreversible contamination.

Comment by meepmeep09 on 07/31/11 at 09:28 PM

But will Obama’s plans for reelection?

Heck, yeah. Once the Republicans settle on their favorite Scary Monster, we’ll be fine.

a $1T coin sounds kind of useless. What vending machine could make change for it?

What vending machine could make change for it?

The one that dispenses $999.9 billion bags of Doritos.

You get a bag of Doritos and $100 million back in quarters?

No, you get a bag of Doritos and a $100 million platinum coin. Duh!

Is it the U.S. version of the loonie?  A superloony?

O/T but hilarious, from Sarah’s FB fan page:

I believe that ‘The Undefeated’ is performing well and many people are going to see it. I’m beginning to think that Box Office Mojo and other sites aren’t telling the truth about the box office returns, and it’s making more money than they are reporting. Does anyone agree, or should we care?

The Undefeated is currently showing in FOUR FUCKING THEATERS.

@StrangeAppar8us ~ Thanks a million. You really spared me reading any of the freak-outs. I am so weak, so I won’t be content with reading only the article… I’ll end up reading the comments.

The way I see it, anyone who does not like this deal, should work very hard in 2012 election, so that we don’t end up with another teabaggers controlled House.

Also, too, those who are wailing about how Obama sold us out, should enroll into civics 101 because they don’t get this whole co-equal branches of government thing.

How do they expect a house full of deranged teabaggers and a filibuster crazy senate to vote for a tax increase?

A superloony?

It’s a lesser-known part of the compromise that the Tea Party gets its own currency.

@Anya:

so I won’t be content with reading only the article… I’ll end up reading the comments.

You’ve done the right thing today. Take it from one not so wise as yourself.

those who are wailing about how Obama sold us out

Funny how people who’ve been trashing the guy for 2.5 years and doing everything in their power to turn voter opinion against him get all hissy when he doesn’t work miracles from the Bully Pulpit.

No, you get a bag of Doritos and a $100 million platinum coin. Duh!

Of course! I’m not used to this whole platinum currency thing. I feel like the Brits must have when they went from 17 shillings to a Sickle or whatever to the decimal stuff.

The Undefeated is currently showing in FOUR FUCKING THEATERS.

That is a great example of Teabagger worldview, innit? The world doesn’t line up with my expectations, therefore there’s a liberal conspiracy hiding the truth. Whoo!

Anyone who needs cheering up should check out the reader reactions at Glenn Beck’s place.

Also, Billy Cunningham (“Barack HUSSEIN Obama!”) is apoplectic over this “GOP sell-out” on his radio show tonight. Expect a mighty huffing and puffing from Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity tomorrow.

One of the commenters at Beck’s place apparently felt that a quote from Orwell’s 1984 was appropriate for the occasion.

That’s so adorable!

Was it the one about the humans and the pigs becoming indistinguishable, or one of those “Slavery Is Freedom” things?

Hah, I didn’t even read far enough in to see an Animal Farm reference.  No, this was Obeckian1984, who pasted in an insert of O’Brien (functionary of The Party) seducing doomed heroes Winston and Julia into following the perhaps nonexistent revolutionaries led by the perhaps nonexistent Emmanuel Goldstein, in opposition to The Party.

JUST LIKE OBUMMER SEDUCED THE REPUBS INTO SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT!!  Or, um, something, I guess…

If the teabaggers and the firebaggers are both freaking out, I’d say it’s a pretty good deal.

If the teabaggers and the firebaggers are both freaking out, I’d say it’s a pretty good deal.

Both are good indicators. Plus, Krauthammer says the Tea Party won, so you KNOW they got hosed.

Anya, I love you and I thank you for asking for the information I needed too, thereby saving me from venturing out into Commentverse and possibly vaporizing what few brain cells I have left.

Well, if commentary from the international econ crowd is to be believed (e.g., what I’ve heard on BBC over the past week), a certain amount of damage has already been done to our credibility in the world markets.  The basic thinking is: if we cannot handle something this simple without all this adventure, drama, and (most importantly) uncertain outcome, we are no longer as creditworthy as we have been up to now.

I think the teatards should take that as good news:

International Markets: Don’t shoot you foot with that pistol!  That will do some permanent damage, and hurt like hell!

Teatard faction: {Pulls weapon, fires into foot.}  Ouch, ouch, ouch…

IMs: See, what did we tell you??!

TF: Hahaha, ain’t no furrin soshulists gonna tell us what to do!  Haha {ouch!} haha {ouch!}...

It’s all about American Exceptionalism and Triumphalism with that crowd, so seeing this type of spin wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

@meep — It’s already happening.

Paul Krugman is upset that Obama didn’t threaten the Tea Party suicide-bombers with more jail time, or something.

Every little breeze seems to whisper…Anya.  I will not go to the comments except for the comments here, and if the comments here make me crazier, I will close my eyes and think of Anya.

That sounds rude but it totally isn’t.  I am a desperate creature and I will tackle and hog-tie solace when and where I can.  And no, Anya isn’t solace.  And no, I wouldn’t hog-tie anyone or anything.  But I might tackle ‘em.

Shutting up now.

@StrangeAppar8us ~ Not surprised that freepers are happy with Maureen Dowd…. an idiot… obsessed with triviality and macho crap. Who reads her? I am yet to meet anyone who likes her.

@Larkspur ~ I am so grateful for this place and Steve Benen’s blog.  I am listening to him at poliscifiradio http://poliscifiradio.com/episodes/151_PSFR.mp3

Comment by Anya on 07/31/11 at 11:37 PM

Not surprised that freepers are happy with Maureen Dowd

But notice they HATE the Irish for publishing that story.

The day the House turned over, something very like this was not only predictable, it was inevitable.

“How bad”, not “whether” became the only question worth asking.

Waaaaaaaaay too many people expected nothing much to change. But with this House, and a Senate with only 35-38 Democratic Democratic Senators (I don’t count the Republican Democratic Senators), it was damage control from the 3rd of January on.

The takeaway—don’t lose elections.

This is one of the few times I’ve really enjoyed listening to Wingnut Talk Radio. They are practically demanding that Boehner and McConnell resign for selling America out to Obama.

I am not an obamasoldusout! Kind of dood, but i take little pleasure in the wingnut freakout over this whole thing. Even if the “medicine” is less unpleasant than others would have been, none of this should have happened. Feckless treasonous bastards have almost destroyed our nation’s credibility in world financial markets and attempted to bring pain to the weakest members of our society.

All in the name of America, fuckyeah!

There’s not a damned one of those Republicrats who give a shit about America, except as a flag on the back of a leather jacket.

Obama didn’t threaten the Tea Party suicide-bombers with more jail time, or something.

Now, now, he did the right thing by putting Medicare and SS on the table instead of asking for an end to the Bush tax cuts or something that Democrats can support.

As Tbogg put it:

Barack Obama is walking down the street when he looks in a neighbors garage and sees an old rusty push mower. Knocking on the door, he is surprised to see that it’s John Boehner’s house.

“Hey John. I couldn’t help but notice that fine lawnmower in your garage. How much do you want for it?”

“Well I wasn’t planning on selling it, but I guess I’d let it go for $20.”

Obama thinks about it for a moment. “Okay I’ll give you $25.”

“But I said I’d sell it to you for $20.”

Obama looks away, calculating in his head. “Okay. You got me.  $30.”

“But….but…”

Obama smiles.  “You drive a hard bargain, John. But $35 is as high as I’m going to go.”

Boehner, now even more confused, “Seriously. I wasn’t gong to sell it, but $20 is more than fair for it. It’s rusty and the blades need sharpening and one of the wheels is wobbly and falls off every once in awhile.”

Seeing an opening, Obama replies. “Fine. Let’s compromise. $38.”

Shrugging his shoulders, Boehner says “Okay. Fine.  Whatever.  $38. Take her away” and Obama hands Boehner two crisp twenty dollar bills and starts pushing the creaking mower down the street.

Looking up from the two twenties in his hand, Boehner calls out, “Wait. I owe you two dollars.”

A smiling Obama looks over his shoulder and waves. “That’s alright. You can keep the change”.

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/01/11 at 08:09 AM

Now, now, he did the right thing by putting Medicare and SS on the table…

...in a bill draft that had so many gimmes for the Dems it could never pass the House, and didn’t.

...instead of asking for an end to the Bush tax cuts or something that Democrats can support.

See above.

A lot of very bright people I respect have temporarily succumbed to the very weird narrative that the Dems didn’t negotiate hard enough…as if they had any leverage.

What were they supposed to do, threaten to let the 40% automatic budget cuts happen unless the Tea Party let us raise taxes?

Being a Liberal wouldn’t be nearly so embarrassing if so many Liberals weren’t screaming ninnies.

@DA: TBogg left out the part where the wild-eyed lunatic in the tricorn hat is holding a gun to a passer-by’s head, demanding all the money straight up, no lawnmower.

After being freaked out for days, and encouraged to be more so by reading various comment threads, all I can say is thank you Rumpies for putting the pin back in my grenade.

in a bill draft that had so many gimmes for the Dems it could never pass the House, and didn’t.

And that means it’s the last we’ll ever hear of such a trade, correct?

there’s an opportunity for Obama to veto the automatic extension of the Bush tax cuts if the “Super Congress” can’t get its shit together on identifying acceptable budget cuts.

You really think he’ll veto an extension of the Bush tax cuts when push comes to shove?

That would be a change I could believe in.

<A >

Obama could’ve invoked the 14th Amendment to put this silly debt ceiling crisis to rest, but he allowed the Republicans to talk him out of such a provocative move, would be my guess.

TBogg left out the part where the wild-eyed lunatic in the tricorn hat is holding a gun to a passer-by’s head, demanding all the money straight up, no lawnmower.

Sure, you should always negotiate with lunatics, that makes perfect sense.

Besides, it’s a great marketing technique as well.

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/01/11 at 09:37 AM

Obama could’ve invoked the 14th Amendment to put this silly debt ceiling crisis to rest, but he allowed the Republicans to talk him out of such a provocative move, would be my guess.

I don’t think he needed any encouragement from Republicans to nix that concept as a first resort. The Angry Dictatorial Black Communist Usurping Congressional Authority in an Impeachable Manner gambit should be reserved for an emergency.

This comfort with default fascinates me.

The tea-partiers don’t seem to think it’s a big deal.
And there are plenty of the left who think it’s an acceptable alternative to most of the deals we’ve seen floated.

Which makes me nervous, this community of interest.

Sure, you should always negotiate with lunatics, that makes perfect sense.

You’‘re right. Obama should have sent in Steven Seagal to take out the Tea Party Congress, just like in the movies.

Can we stick to real-world scenarios, please?

Sure, you should always negotiate with lunatics, that makes perfect sense.

True, you could always hang tough and if the hostage dies, so be it. That will teach the lunatics not to be so—-lunatical.

They are going to keep doing the utmost they can to blow the joint up, each and every day until they are thrown out of Congress. They wouldn’t have had this power if more Dems had cared in 2010.

The Angry Dictatorial Black Communist Usurping Congressional Authority in an Impeachable Manner gambit should be reserved for an emergency.

So just give the lunatics what they want, or they’ll take over the asylum anyway.

You’‘re right. Obama should have sent in Steven Seagal to take out the Tea Party Congress, just like in the movies.

Nope, but by taking them seriously from the very beginning, he does more damage to his side than a dozen Steven Seagals circa 1997 could do with a gross of nunchuks.

The “14th Amendment solution” is no solution at all.  It’s a highly controversial action that could, and probably would, get shot down in the courts (see: current makeup of the Supreme Court) which would just create confusion about the status of any debt issued under the executive order.  It would also immediately result in numerous lawsuits being filed to invalidate the action and probably impeachment motions in the House (they’re just looking for an excuse as it is). 

It’s easy enough for Clinton to claim it’s what he’d do but I doubt, if he was actually having to make the call, that he would.  He didn’t exactly stand firm for liberal principles when it came to welfare reform and DOMA, now did he?

So just give the lunatics what they want, or they’ll take over the asylum anyway.

No. What they WANT is for the Debt Ceiling to NOT be raised. We’re trying to give the remaining sane people enough good reasons to join us in defeating the lunatics.

Mrs. Polly, who was the ‘leader’ of the Democrats in 2010?

Obviously, from your own account, that person had prime responsibility for the House going to the GOP in 2010.

Or not, as it suits you.

Remember:

Homer: “Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.”

Nope, but by taking them seriously from the very beginning, he does more damage to his side

Yeah, imagine taking people seriously just because they have a majority in the House of Representatives.

Dark Avenger, if by “taking them seriously,” you mean “understanding that they still hold a lot of cards and get to vote in Congress, batshit or not,” then yes, Obama committed the unpardonable sin of understanding that the president doesn’t have some super-sekrit “it doesn’t count because you’re nuttier than squirrel turds” constitutional mulligan.

Obviously, from your own account, that person had prime responsibility for the House going to the GOP in 2010.

Exactly. If Obama hadn’t been such a radical Socialist, the Tea Party would never have been so energized. Damn his radical Socialism!

Well, marindenver, people who make a living teaching law have a different take on it than you, and perhaps have better reasons to be optimistic about such an approach.

The language is certainly written in absolute terms but it is not likely that a court would rule that it makes a failure to lift the debt ceiling unconstitutional. Congress can argue that it fully intends to pay its debts, but that there is a political dispute over how and when. They can argue that they were not challenging the “validity” of the debt but the priority in the payment. The United States will still be fully liable for the debt and the interest.

Of course, as with the Libyan War, the Administration could trigger the constitutional fight on the belief that no one will be able to get standing to challenge its payment of the debt.

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/01/11 at 10:21 AM

Yeah, imagine taking people seriously just because they have a majority in the House of Representatives.

Just like Reagan and Bush I did when they were in office.

imagine taking people seriously just because they have a majority in the House of Representatives.

Did you miss the part where I said “From the very beginning”, i.e., like when he took office in 2009 and the teatards began their reign of error?

Yeah, and Laurence Tribe says it’s a dumb idea:

Several law professors and senators, and even Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, have suggested that section 4 of the 14th Amendment, known as the public debt clause, might provide a silver bullet. This provision states that “the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law ... shall not be questioned.” They argue that the public debt clause is sufficient to nullify the ceiling — or can be used to permit the president to borrow money without regard to the ceiling.

Both approaches provide the false hope of a legal answer that obviates the need for a real solution.

I just love a good “My constitutional scholar can beat up YOUR constitutional scholar!” fight to wake me up on a Monday.

If he had started to pushback against the “Socialist Prezident” bullpucky early, that would’ve demonstrated leadership.

Or are you arguing because he was tagged as a Socialist, he couldn’t have done anything to increase voter turnout or get people to vote against the Teabaggers?

The tone of an organization or party is set by the folks on top, did you know that?

Anyway, here’s an ode to who is really at fault:

Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke,
You gotta understand,
It’s just our bringin’ up-ke
That gets us out of hand.
Our mothers all are junkies,
Our fathers all are drunks.
Golly Moses, natcherly we’re punks!

But Dark Avenger, I will say your approach dovetails nicely with the preferred stance of too many liberals I’ve known in well over 30 years of activism. That stance would be, of course, sitting on the sidelines with thumb up ass bleating “But I’M the victim here! Because you didn’t inspire me enough!”

Just like Dems stayed home or voted Nader (sorry, Betty) in 2000 because Gore was “just like Bush” and he didn’t “inspire” them. Inspiration is what you look for when you’re a 16-year-old trying to write poetry and/or get laid. It has no relevancy to whether or not one should be a mother-lovin’ grown-up and get out and vote (or stay home and vote, since so many states make it easy to do it that way for the pants-averse) because it’s what goddamn grown-ups who expect their political issues to be taken seriously DO.

It wasn’t Obama’s job to “inspire” Dems. It’s their job not to be such Made-of-Fail Fucknuts in the first place that they would actually think losing the House of Representatives would “send a message.” Yeah, it did—and the message it sent is “if you sat out the midterms because Obama didn’t give you enough ponys, you should be killed and fed to Somali orphans, because then at least you might not be a total waste of your mother’s birth pangs.”

Not that I feel strongly about this or anything.

Obviously, from your own account, that person had prime responsibility for the House going to the GOP in 2010.

“You bastard, you had an almost filibuster-proof majority and still no public option! Just for that, we are taking away the House and giving it to paint-chip-scarfing three-cornered furries! Ha-HA!”

Yes, staying home in 2010 really punished him good, didn’t it? And may we look forward to seeing more of this brilliant warcraft in 2012?

And what’s with this “He should’ve pushed back” stuff? All by himself? It’s all his job, on top of trying to save the economy and pass healthcare and repeal DADT and get non-insane people on SCOTUS and better fuel economy standards and deal with a massive oil spill and the Middle East and and and…

Why the fuck weren’t PROGRESSIVES pushing back and showing up at townhalls pressing for the public option and holding their OWN fucking rallies on the mall (other than the Stewart/Colbert False-Equivalency Fun-Fest)

And no, the tone of an “organization” is not always set by the people at the top—especially when those people are presidents, who, unlike CEOs or executive directors at nonprofits, can’t pick and choose the other people they have to work with.

But please keep up the passive-aggressive It’s-Not-MY-Fault! stance. I would hate for you to go against doin’ what comes natcherly at this stage.

One day, Dark Avenger and his ilk will be dead—and then we’ll all be sorry!

Yes, and he’ll have a Viking Funeral!

Yes, and he’ll have a Viking Funeral!

As all the best back-seat internet drivers do.

That stance would be, of course, sitting on the sidelines with thumb up ass bleating “But I’M the victim here! Because you didn’t inspire me enough!”

Except that I voted, I don’t know of anyone who didn’t vote for Obama because they weren’t inspired, and that’s not what I’m arguing.

It wasn’t Obama’s job to “inspire” Dems. It’s their job not to be such Made-of-Fail Fucknuts in the first place that they would actually think losing the House of Representatives would “send a message.”

Don’t remember anyone making that argument in 2010, and you are technically correct, the primary job of the ostensible leader of the Democratic party was(and is) to lead, not merely inspire.

Yeah, it did—and the message it sent is “if you sat out the midterms because Obama didn’t give you enough ponys, you should be killed and fed to Somali orphans, because then at least you might not be a total waste of your mother’s birth pangs.”

We didn’t need more ponies or fancy words, perhaps a GOTV drive like he did in 2008, would’ve that been too much to ask?

Not that I feel strongly about this or anything.

I can’t think of another post on the Internets where someone has lived up to their monicker as much as you have with this one.

You bastard, you had an almost filibuster-proof majority and still no public option!

Obama took the public option off the table, Mrs. Polly, or are you starting to live up to your monicker here as well?

Yes, staying home in 2010 really punished him good, didn’t it?

Yep, I’ve been all about saying that the 2010 election was all about punishing Obama because he didn’t deliver all the sparkly ponies he promised in 2008.

If that’s what you got out of my posts here, please take care to be careful at zebra crossings in the future.

Word.

Why the fuck weren’t PROGRESSIVES pushing back and showing up at townhalls pressing for the public option and holding their OWN fucking rallies on the mall

What? Attack the RIGHT? They’re scary!

Gee, I wonder why the public option was taken off the table, when it was obvious that there were enough votes to pass it!

Word to your, um….

....what was that whole annoying catchphrase again?

Shorter DA: Batman created the Joker by dumping him in a vat of chemicals, so Batman should die in a fire.

DA, your self-pity is downright contagious. I’d like to start a new blog with you specifically aimed at “Harold-and-Maude” Progressives who are dedicated to advancing the Liberal agenda by blaming Obama for America’s radical Conservatives, and having picnic lunches at cemeteries.

Strange, you bastard, my stitches are still a little tender. How about a trigger warning next time?

I am continually amazed at the power of this metaphorical table. Apparently, that the final deal protects Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare beneficiaries can be completely ignored because Obama put those programs “on the table” at some point during the negotiations, allegedly.

According to DA, Obama should negotiate from the position of earnest naif. Anything else gives him the vapors.

Obama has to move the bully pulpit to the left, right next to the Overton Window, without disturbing the line in the sand. No, not THERE! Can’t you do anything right, Hoke?

TBogg left out the part where the wild-eyed lunatic in the tricorn hat is holding a gun to a passer-by’s head, demanding all the money straight up, no lawnmower.

I haven’t dared go by TBogg’s today. Is he on one of his full-PUMA ranters?

I am continually amazed at the power of this metaphorical table.

Me too, and I’m well past sick of hearing about it. It’s joined “under the bus” in the cliché-non-grata heap, IMO; please, people, find some other way of expressing things.

Going forward at the end of the day, the only way to play 11-dimensional chess is to throw the table under the bus.

Going forward at the end of the day, the only way to play 11-dimensional chess is to throw the table under the bus.

Ha! THAT’ll make their heads explode!

THAT’ll make their heads explode!

Feature, not a bug.

(I challenge anyone to find a Balloon Juice thread in which no commenter hauls that one out.)

T-Bogg. So spot on most of the time. Does Hamsher have a monthly seppuku clause written into his contract?

The “11-dimensional chess” sneer makes me reflexively clench my fists. I guess higher dimensions need to be invoked because the 3 dimensional variety pretty much perfectly describes a president who has consistently ignored the 24hr news cycle and always seems to be thinking a few moves ahead. Invariably spouted by the kind of commenter who could be outwitted by a counting horse.

To wit: Having publicly announced a deal on the debt, if the House votes it down this becomes the Tea Party/Boehner default in the eyes of Joe Lowinfovoter.

And his opinion is the only one that counts in 2012. That’s chess.

Jewish Steel, there is apparently some amazing pseudo-calculus on the left by which “polls show that people support single-payer/public option” means that “votes were solid in Congress for single-payer/public option,” but polls that show support for bipartisanship for solutions to the (manufactured by wingnuts) debt ceiling can be set aside. Or taken off the table, or thrown out the Overton window to be punched by hippies. Or something.

I just got the following in my e-mail:

Dear XXXXXXXXXXXX,

Paul Krugman is no radical, yet even he says “The President Surrenders”

 

the deal itself ... is a disaster, and not just for President Obama and his party. It will damage an already depressed economy; it will probably make America’s long-run deficit problem worse, not better; and most important, by demonstrating that raw extortion works and carries no political cost, it will take America a long way down the road to banana-republic status.

But Democrats can still defeat the bill, simply by voting no. That’s because nearly 100 TeaParty Republicans will vote no, even though they got 99.9% of what they want. And without TeaParty votes, Republicans don’t have a 218-vote majority.

So if Republicans won’t vote for President Obama’s surrender, why should Democrats?

Tell Congress: Kill the Budget Bill.
http://www.democrats.com/kill-the-budget-bill

Thanks for all you do!

Bob Fertik

I don’t have a Democratic Representative to excoriate, but I’ll do the heavy lifting again, as I have for the past 40-something years while you all feast on bon-bons and spite around here.


wanted84

if only

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/01/11 at 01:27 PM

Shorter DA: Batman created the Joker by dumping him in a vat of chemicals, so Batman should die in a fire.

So, wait, a minute, Obama “Created” the Teatard Party?

LOL, that’s just like Batman being the Worlds’ Greatest Detective, so Obama has to be the Worlds’ Greatest ?

My reps server is down.  I plan on impersonating a member of the Tea Party telling him we’ve already started plans to primary his ass if he votes yes for the budget.

Hey, it’s better than the truth.

while you all feast on bon-bons and spite around here

I’ve been on this site since 2008 and with all the foodie talk, I don’t recall bon-bons ever coming up.

Lots of beer talk. Hmmm, I could go for a Raging Bitch about now.

Also, spite? I think the best revenge is served with mockery. No use for spite. You can’t spell Sprite without spite and an “R.” Think about it.

Enjoy your Viking Funeral, DA. We will all weep over the way we treated you when you were still relevant.

Going forward at the end of the day, the only way to play 11-dimensional chess is to throw the table under the bus.

I’m going to put the chess set, the table, all pertinent dimensions, and the bus into an envelope, and then I’m going to push the push the envelope envelope.  That’ll learn ‘em.

DA — Here’s you.

We will all weep over the way we treated you when you were still relevant.

Oh, I’ll think of you every time I hear this.

StrangeAppar8us, this is you to a T.

idea11

Yes, at least one would be good on this thread.

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/01/11 at 03:14 PM

Yah know, that might’ve been too harsh.

This is who you remind me of.

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/01/11 at 03:15 PM

Strange, I think DA is flirting with you. Either that or he’s gonna get you at recess.

As for Our Brave Bill-Killing Warrior, I do hope he’ll remember To Always Be Biting the Pillow.

Comment by Oblomova on 08/01/11 at 06:32 PM

Sorry that bill-killing thing didn’t work so well, DA.

There’s still time for you to bend the Senate to your will, though.

Cue the All-Purpose Kill-the-Bill Firebagger Failure Music!

Comment by Oblomova on 08/01/11 at 07:09 PM

Boehner is on record as having gotten 98% of what he asked for, so

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

(Not valid in some states, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, or Freedonia.  May cause unbearable cognitive dissonance for some users.  Do not mix with alcohol, narcotics, THC or supercool.)

Comment by The Dark Avenger on 08/02/11 at 02:40 AM

I can’t see any reason why John Boehner would crow about victories he didn’t get just to try to shore up his rapidly flagging base of power in Tea Party Congress, can you?

You are a political SUPERGENIUS! Of course one should ALWAYS believe the GOP over and above the Spineless Dusky-Hued Manchurian Dude.

Oblo, odd isn’t it that those who think merely trumpeting “I win! means that you actually win are the same people who are so quick to yell, “we lose!”

Red State says Obama won. Free Republic says Obama won. Tea Party groups are livid.

Boehner is trying to salvage his speakership, after folding like a bad origami.

As I implied on the other thread, I’d go along with Dark Avenger’s bleating about Boehner’s EPIC WINNING!!!! for now (seriously—you want to lecture people about taking care at zebra crossings when you’re prepared to take Boehner’s word on anything? Maybe he’s got a bridge for sale.). The cat’s nose is out of the bag already, but no reason to draw any more attention to reality at this stage.

^Embattled Speaker^ Boehner

is on record as having

^is trying to convince the Great Whites circling his delectable orange body that he has^

gotten 98% of what he asked for

Thought I’d assist you with your validity problem, DA.

100 COMMENTS! I AM THE GREATEST ULTRA-LIBERAL BLOGGER, EVER!

Ultra liberal? Hah! You’re obviously a closet republican like obummer.

I’m actually to the Left of Dark Avenger. I just know how to be effective.

100 COMMENTS! I AM THE GREATEST ULTRA-LIBERAL BLOGGER, EVER!

Well, it’s impressive that this thread made it all the way to Obama’s Tuesday-afternoon Festival of Lies, but no sammich for you this time.  Obama slashed the sammich budget for liberal bloggers, which is basically what he wanted to do all along.

It doesn’t matter that I don’t get a sammich.

What matters is that no one else will get one, either.

Oh, there will be plenty of sammiches for banksters.  And for the pilots bombing innocent Libyan civilians.  Obama has seen to that.

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