Headline of the (Yester)day
From Jim Newell:
Amen. The only “safe space” seems to be the wonderful world of polisnark.
From Jim Newell:
Amen. The only “safe space” seems to be the wonderful world of polisnark.
Even the world of polisnark is much less safe these days. Even Sadly No! is now about 75% emo and 20% troll feeding frenzy which sucks because I like to load up places like that before I get on the subway. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to ride the train with all that mess on my Blackberry. Metsblog.com is even more depressing. Did you know that Fred Wilpon is more evil than Dick Cheney or even Rahm Emmanuel? On the plus side I’m getting really good at brickbreaker.
Even Sadly No! is now about 75% emo and 20% troll feeding frenzy
Yeah, I noticed that a few days ago. They should stick to making fun of Derbyshire and Surber.
I hadn’t looked in on the Sadly, No! crew in awhile, but I’ve gotta say, this is almost exactly where I am on the shitty health care bill right now:
UPDATE: Climbing back from the ledge a bit, I’m still actually on the fence over whether this bill is worth killing or not. On the one hand, it basically makes the uninsured serfs to the insurance industry. That sucks, it’s disgusting and it’s immoral. But on the other hand, I read stuff like from this guy…
My wife has a terminal illness and we can’t get insurance outside a pool from my employer, which is not the greatest. People like you are about to ruin the chance to improve health care for the foreseeable future. You are making the perfect the enemy of the good.
…and I have a really, really tough time arguing that we should kill the bill.
But then, as Atrios notes, there are the politics:
I feel like those more supportive of this bill are attacking anti-mandate strawmen. The reason for thinking that without a public option or similar mandates are going to be a disaster is that without competition or sufficient affordability (due to not quite generous enough subsidies), you’re forcing people to buy shitty insurance that they can’t afford.
If the Senate bill passes as is, lots of people are likely to hate it and it will lead to the GOP (or the Tea Party!) taking back the government and working to repeal the bill. And how much better off will people like the woman mentioned above with terminal illness actually be?
But then I think of it this way: once the principle of universality is established — and for all its faults, the Senate bill would establish universality for American citizens — then it’s going to be very hard to take away. Once it’s passed the GOP will never be able to pass legislation that will take away health insurance from 30 million people. Really, if they tried they wouldn’t leave office alive.
So I’m leaning right now toward, “pass the piece of shit and add to the subsidies through reconciliation with the goal of adding a public option through reconciliation further down the road.”
That said, I also wish this shit was over with so we could all go back to heaping much-deserved derision on Jonah Goldberg.
Reading that made my head hurt.
Like I said before, this is nothing but a lose-lose situation for the Dems. This morning I’m leaning toward killing it just because I think there’s a chance Dems could revisit it after 2012 (I know, I know), but only if the economy improves and unemployment numbers get better quickly so disaster is averted in ‘10.
Long and short, though, we are surrounded by suck when it comes to HCR. Only president Hillary Kucinich could have saved us.
The stuff that drives me crazy is the “Obama is Bush’s 3rd Term” and the “No difference between the Dems and Repubs” crowd.
Wasn’t McCain trying to get rid of employer-based health care so people could deal directly with the insurance companies? Yeah, that would have brought costs down real good. And Bush, actually vetoed SCHIP because it was too close to socialized medicine.
Meanwhile, here in DC we finally passed a same-sex marriage law. One of the hold-ups had been that Brownback, who was head of the Senate appropriations committee, not to mention a staunch member of The Family, threatened to block funding for the District if they went near a same-sex marriage bill.
The other local issue is that we don’t have a vote for the legislative branch. Bush, McCain, etc., have long made it clear that they’d veto any bill that gave DC voting rights.
Let’s just say I don’t have a lot patience for the whiners and pumas out there.
I might be back to the Kill Bill side by lunchtime myself—I was leaning that way last night. Like you said, it’s all suckage.
What I don’t want to hear is some motherfucker telling me I’m a fool for favoring the bill or that I’m an idiot to oppose it. There’s way too much of that going around.
I think I’ll hide out here with the conflicted, snarky folks till it blows over.
What I don’t want to hear is some motherfucker telling me I’m a fool for favoring the bill or that I’m an idiot to oppose it. There’s way too much of that going around.
Yeah, it’s getting way too hostile. The two latest boogiemen are Nate Silver and Howard Dean. They were both progressive rock stars during the primaries/GE and now they’re being portrayed as respective Satans by the competing kill/keep the bill factions. 100% pure insanity.
My favorite kind of commenter in that thread and others like it are the types who can’t hide their hope for things to get much, much worse so that we can finally have a revolution or descend into awesome anarchic chaos. Yeah, I’m sure that the poor and the middle class will fare much better than Joe Lieberman or Goldman Sachs executives if food and other essentials become scarce and there’s fighting in the streets. It’s too reminiscent of the wingnuts who have been praying for another 9/11 so America will finally wake up for my taste. I liked it better when left polisnark comments sections were places to go make fun of such shit rather than sources of it.
They should stick to making fun of Derbyshire and Surber.
I think I almost got some Chinese malware from Surber this morning—it was either Surber or Lucianne.com.
The funniest/saddest thing to me is that the same people who can’t manage to maintain a productive/respectful blog environment with people who are mostly on the same side as them are ALSO the ones who are convinced that Obama and Emanuel and Reid have all these extra-super-sekrit tools that would allow them to FORCE Lieberman to not be a dick or whatever.
And are convinced that building a real third-party white progressive movement (very few blacks and probably very few Latinos are going to turn on Obama) is the answer! Because, you know, that grassroots shit is so easy. Do an email blast, set up some RSS feeds, bloviate somewhere, call it a day. Why else have the Greens been such a force for change in this country?
Yeah. Finding common cause and getting people to go along with what you believe is obviously a fucking kid-simple piece of cake, amiright, Internet Family Feud?
(Now, if somebody wants to offer me some vague carrot/stick combo to make me change my mind on this position, I’m all ears!)
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