He didn’t mean starting now

Today’s backsliding on behalf of Obama’s change message reminds me of a story I once heard Howie Mandel tell. He was walking up to a convenience store with sign that said, “Open 365 Days.” He tried the door only to find it locked and the store closed. He returned the next day to complain to the manager.

“The sign said open 365 days,” Howie fumed. To which the manager replied, “Not in a row.”

Apparently, change doesn’t begin with a first step. It comes in one big swoop at the end of four years.  Watch David Corn and others ask the important question, and then Gibbs start evading like every White House press secretary we’ve ever known:


From Rumproast Clips.

NOTE: Obama apparently has admitted he made a mistake with the handling of the Daschle nomination. But I have a hunch he sees the mistake more in the embarrassment of the tax flap than in being remiss about the change promise.

Posted by poputonian on 02/03/09 at 08:34 PM • Permalink

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That was not Gibbs’s finest hour.

On the other hand, it’s nice to see a reporter from Mother Fucking Jones get a question…

You don’t get hired as the manager of the most intense imperial state the world has ever seen if you’re actually subversive.

Dennis Perrin has been warning about this for awhile. I wanted to believe that Obama could change something, but as far as I can see the only thing being changed is the window display.

That was not Gibbs’s finest hour.

On the other hand, it’s nice to see a reporter from Mother Fucking Jones get a question…

So true. I thought Gibbs and Corn treated each other very well, even if Gibbs didn’t want the question. And I’m glad Corn made the issue about the lobbying stench rather than the tax problem. One is Dachle’s error and the other is Obama’s.

I’m not as critical as you pop.  I think the fact that he’s actually trying to get his agenda through is as important a part of the “change” thing as anything.  It’s the Congress that seems totally unwilling to change in any respect.  If we get even a semblance of a reasonable stimulus bill I’ll be surprised.  But I don’t think it’s for want of Obama trying to change the establishment.

Daschle turned out to be a big mistake but I’m not sure it’s fair to focus on one thing and cry “imposter”.  I just don’t want to make any big judgment calls after a couple of weeks on the job.  I’m staying open minded.

One of the reasons I find Rumproast an interesting site is that it’s impossible to predict what people’s take will be on a given topic.

It’s also intersting to see marindenver’s post about a potential rift between Petraeus and Obama, and then poputonians post lamenting the lack of change, or perhaps that change is not coming fast enough, at least as far as lobbyists are concerned.

The problem with the “change” mantra is that it can mean anything you want it to mean.

What change meant for me, personally, was that DC would get rid of Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, John Yoo, and the whole Cheney family.  Hacks and authoritarians the whole lot.  It also means a movement from focusing on the wealthiest Americans to the middle class.

So, change is looking good from my perspective. 

Last night I went to Busboys&Poets;to see Howard Zinn speak.  His point was that Obama, while a really good guy, was also a politician.  His concern was that some of his cabinet picks were not of the “change” variety- he mentioned Clinton and may have mentioned Daschle in that light as well.  So, it may be that his withdrawal is for the best.

I’m totally with marindenver on this.

Pop, we’re all looking at the same inkblot, but I think you’re the only one seeing the monster.

By now you’ve probably heard Obama’s interviews from today and I think he made it abundantly clear that he made a mistake in thinking that he could just rearrange the deck chairs on this sinking ship.

Remember as well that Cabinet appointments are not forever, and that once the Administration is up and running, those who prove unable to play ball by Obama rules will be back on the outside.

I’m giving the man a few months to coach his team before I start calling for his firing…

“Imposter” “monster” “call for his firing”... thanks guys for ascribing words to me that I didn’t say. I post many positive things about Obama, but I also call him on the missteps when he deserves it. Many of what I call the institutionalized democrats and republicans are the ones who never criticize their own party leader because their only goal is to defeat the other party. They’re not really operating on any standard or principle, they’ve just spent so many years waging a range war against the other party, that when they finally win the office, they just cheer and cheer and cheer for their guy. We just watched eight years of that kind of blind following of the Bush administration.

In my opinion, Obama has made at least two noteworthy mistakes: one was failing to get rid of Joe Lieberman, and the other was appointing Tom Daschle, whose sleaze has now been well documented. Neither mistake is going to bring down an administration, but then again, neither will my quite mild rebukes or expressions of discontent with it.

The post above specifically deals with the disingenuousness of Gibbs when questioned by a group or reporters (they must be seeing monsters, too, since their frustration is also palpable) who can’t understand how the administration touted such an incredibly tough vetting process (as part of the promise of change), pages upon pages upon pages of questions, yet one nominee after another nominee can’t even pass the public smell test.

Yes, I’m experiencing cognitive dissonance. Maybe you would be too if you were paying closer attention.

So back to the post above, here’s the moment of truth: the reporters rightfully and simply ask questions about the vetting process and whether it’s stringent (as it was promised), or even adequate, because it sure has failed us. And remember, Obama promised new standards in transparency, straightforwardness, access, and so on. So how does the White House spokesperson respond to the press questions? He basically says, “Look, I’m not going to answer questions about that stuff,” and “we’re not going to change everything overnight. We’ve got four years.”

Blah blah fucking blah.

That’s disingenuous. Proper vetting, and nominating someone who represents change as promised, instead of ‘business as usual’ insiders would have been quite easy, had the motivation been there. But it wasn’t. Obama now admits it, as you point out, so he must be finally perceiving some of what the others were seeing.

As far as AltHippo’s comment. I am exactly where you are on what satisfies me about Obama:

What change meant for me, personally, was that DC would get rid of Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, John Yoo, and the whole Cheney family.  Hacks and authoritarians the whole lot.  It also means a movement from focusing on the wealthiest Americans to the middle class.

I think people who have followed my writing and venting over time would know I don’t at all see Obama as a monster, but neither am I naive to see him as a saint. That said, I am highly dissatisfied with the American political system and it needs more than a tweak from center right to center left.  It needs a much more serious adjustment, which is what I expect and still think will happen with Obama. But the public pressure has to be there or it isn’t going to happen. Any post I write where I’m critical of him is only for the purpose of contributing my little iota of that public pressure.

If he folds on Solis I will not be feeling very hope-y.

That’s odd.  I could swear I left a comment right here a moment ago.  Where could it have gone? 

Perhaps I only imagined responding to someone who is choosing to interpret my metaphors literally in order to cast himself as an aggrieved party, and questioning my intelligence for failing to share his outrage.

That must be it.

Well, Allan, it’s funny you say I’m wrong to take your metaphors literally and then you take my metaphors literally. Your comment that was deleted was out of line; the profanity and anger was a little too direct. if you really struggle that much with what I say, then don’t read my posts and don’t comment on them. It’s really that simple and we’ll get along just fine.

If anyone has violated the spirit of Rumproast this evening, my friend, it is you.

Perhaps in the cold light of morning, the PUMAesque words you just wrote will embarrass you.  Have a good night.

Whatever. That you would even use a term “pumaesque” is so idiosyncratic and arcane that it will put me to sleep with a smile on my face. So thanks for that.

I can sense (empath that I am) that sentiments were running high here - and feel free to flame me if it makes things better, being very much a noob and all - but I think it’s a slippery slope if posts from commenters start getting deleted on this blog.

As a suggestion, if profanities cross some line, maybe redact them with the time-honored * or whatever, and note that fact (##### gives grand examples of how to do this on her blog, where she’s frequently flagrantly flamed by right old nutters).

If the anger itself’s OTT, I’d guess that can be dealt with in a variety of ways. Since I have no idea what was said, I’m obviously in no position to comment in detail.

I told pop to “chill the fuck out.”  That is the biggest profanity I recall using in my comment, unless you consider being compared to Daily Kos and OpenLeft obscenities, in which case I apologize.

But bottom line, YAFB, pop’s censorious urge, combined with his followup implying that my comment had violated some standard of decency, are things that should concern you and other RRers.  For if you disagree with pop, your sentiments can and will be sent down the memory-hole and your reputation slimed absent any evidence.

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