Gotta love this exchange:
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Pat Johnson, on February 25th, 2009 at 11:13 am Said:

Just for the record: Michael Graham is a right wing radio commentator from Boston. Loved, loved, loved Bush! Not saying he is wrong, just consider the source.

angienc2, on February 25th, 2009 at 11:25 am Said:

Pat J — with all due respect, there is no need to consider the source — Michael Graham could be Attila the Hun — I don’t need him to tell me that what Chuckie wrote was r@csit & offensive to Catholics (the group that being intolerant of never goes out of style)

When glen beck is disagreeing with you, you are definitely outside the asteroid belt.

Myjunk2xmyiq has claimed to visit around 50 sites a day in his quest for enlightenment.

Am I alone in suspecting that a large proportion of them involve a certain lack of clothing and decorum (and - if the rumors on Balloonjuice are to be believed - goats)?

That is an astonishing measure to achieve, isn’t it?  It’s kind of like exceeding the speed of light.

Q: How over-the-top was his rhetoric?

A: It was so over-the-top that Glenn Beck declined to endorse it.

Glenn Beck declined to endorse it.

That’s impossible.

Because the Catholic Church is so noted for its tolerance. Pffft. (And I say this as a former Catholic who has tremendous respect for the commitment to justice and peace shown by many individual Catholics.)

Hahaha! OT, but you folks already know I’m easily amused.

Now their format properly reflects how off-kilter they are.

Oh Kevin K., this is no longer (if it ever was) about Hillary. This is about non-stop whining, ranting, pouting and in MyIQflungpoo’s case, Goats.

pumafail.com is ready, go check it out and make sure to watch the whole flash intro at least once featuring the radio interview mash up.

#####, I’m sorry to do this to you but we’re going to have to bomb Orange County.

By their apologies ye shall know them:

Grose confirmed to the AP that he sent the e-mail to Price and said he didn’t mean to offend her. He said he was unaware of the racial stereotype that black people like watermelons.

HTP, that’s cool, I’m next door in LA County =-)

pumafail.com is ready, go check it out and make sure to watch the whole flash intro at least once featuring the radio interview mash up

My GOD, that is disturbing on so many levels, it makes me ashamed to be a human being.

Must resist urge to…

ah…

ah…

can’t do it,

pseudo-feminist and defender of all those with XX chromosomes myiqislessthanagnats must really be scoring tons of that puma-poon.

How else to explain his descent into such madness???

ok. which one of you all is Indigogo?

Well Brad, you clearly have much more of which to be ashamed than most of us here at RR.  How’s your wife loving life in Obama Nation?

Allan -

I made a movie (which you haven’t seen). Where’s the shame in that? And leave Lorenda out of this, if you don’t mind.

Neither has anyone else, apparently.

And I’ll ask the questions I choose, whether you want to answer them or not.  Kind of like a documentarian…

Neither has anyone else, apparently

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Touche. The most notable person who apparently has not seen it is Darragh Murphy herself. There is a virtual blackout on the film at PUMA PAC. The Confluence too, apparently, has no use for it. Perhaps this throws a monkey wrench into the theory that some people here that the film was a pro-PUMA puff piece. There weird thing is, for a film with zero promotion and no reviews of any kind, it has registered a meter reading of roughly 71,000 after only a week up on the IMDB. Granted, that’s hardly a mainstream number, but for a film that no one is interested in, it’s ludicrously high.

I think there’s value in the piece. I had a conversation with someone today who just watched it - someone in the film business - and what he took away from Audacity really through me, and helps a lot to explain why is an almost forbidden topic on PUMA PAC.

Still, none of this has anything to do with PUMAFAIL.com

I think it’s okay to say just about anything you want to say about Murphy or myiq or that grotesque battleax bostonboomer. But posting video depicting an obviously mentally ill young woman is needless and cruel. So between that and the hideous quotes that are justifiably posted for all to see, the ugliness is almost too much to bear.

Sorry for the numerous typos. Very long day.

Particularly in the case of this movement, I completely disagree with you about pumafail.com.  It needs to show more.  It needs to be a multi-media, full-on face-rubbing in every pile of racist excrement and mentally unbalanced urine puddle.  It needs to zoom in close on jenniforhillary’s face and superimpose images of all the ugliness that was originated, condoned or endorsed by these awful awful evil sick nasty motherfucking pigs while her deranged voice booms and echos.  It needs to leave its viewer stunned and appalled that such monsters draw breath anywhere on the planet.

If you made that movie, I would watch it.  Anything less is not an honest film.

Every quote or sentence was taken from a puma blog, every one. And as far as the video of Jenni, come to your own conclusion on that one but it makes a point that needs to be made.

I think she’s sick, too. But she is an adult in her forties, not a “girl”. I am frankly not happy that her image, though she freely gave that interview, is splashed everywhere. I don’t know how much she should be held to account. If she were a man instead of a rather vulnerable-seeming woman with a high-pitched, childish voice, would that tape be seen as exploitation, Brad, or would we simply pay attention to the hostile, sexist behavior of the man? Genuine question: I don’t know.

But to me, the real shame is how paid PumaQueen Murphy indulges her hostile, grotesque outbursts, and takes her money. Jenni paid for the infamous radio show.  Jenni ponies up on a regular basis, and there’s no accountability for how the money is spent.

Murphy is all-in-all for PUMAPAC: Salaried Leader, Treasurer, perennially late FEC filer. That’s a recipe for disaster, and it’s a depressingly familiar fringe-group tactic: Outrage for Dollars.

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I think the quotes SHOULD be there, for all to see. I thought I made that clear. They are ugly as hell, but you are not to be held to account for that. But in combination with that poor woman who clearly needs help, the ugliness meter just goes through the roof. I’m not sure that’s a denunciation of the site itself, just an observation.

Mrs. Polly -

If she were a man instead of a rather vulnerable-seeming woman with a high-pitched, childish voice, would that tape be seen as exploitation, Brad, or would we simply pay attention to the hostile, sexist behavior of the man? Genuine question: I don’t know.

And neither do I. You know, I’ve done quite a bit of defending of Murphy, only to get kicked in the balls for it on PUMA PAC. My defense of Darragh was largely based on how I believe she behaved while I was in her presence last summer, and I still think her behavior was, for the most part, quite decent. But there were a few things I observed, especially in Denver, that really took me quite aback. And I have many problems with what the PUMA movement has so quickly evolved into. For people who are so ready to mock and vociferously denounce others, they certainly tend to be quite thin-skinned themselves. This is an irony very much on display in my film.

Murphy is all-in-all for PUMAPAC: Salaried Leader, Treasurer, perennially late FEC filer. That’s a recipe for disaster, and it’s a depressingly familiar fringe-group tactic: Outrage for Dollars.

Yes, that’s what I’ve been seeing as well. It’s like a never-ending revival meeting, people talking in tongues, shrieking about Satan, and so absolutely certain about their own infallibility. For me, it was the “thinning of the herd” exchange that made me really want to back off as far as I could from most of that group.

But darn it, there are one or two people there I still have fond feelings for.

Allan -

Just one last thing. I hate making documentaries. And THE AUDACITY of DEMOCRACY was one of the most miserable experiences I’ve ever had as an artist. I freely admit I don’t know as much about politics as most of the people do - the film I made was about people, not politics. The film is as honest as it can be. I show the PUMA movement warts and all.

Which is probably why none of them have been willing to write about it.

I freely admit I don’t know as much about politics as most of the people do

That should read - “as most of the people here do.”

As laughable as the PUMAs are, we should nevertheless remember that they performed a valuable service.  They convinced the Republicans that there were millions of disappointed Hillary supporters out there just itching for the chance to vote for a set of XX chromosomes in November.  And thus we were gifted with La Palin.

Thank you, PUMAs.

the film I made was about people, not politics.

no it wasn’t. it was about people and their politics. the people you made a film about were directly engaged in politics. seriously, you didn’t notice that? I mean what the fuck. have you ever been to a white supremacist picnic or a kkk rally or spent 5 days in the mud at an outlaw biker party? I have. On more than one occasion. Ya know what, there are a lot of very interesting, even nice (believe it or not) people at em. I’m a little afraid to say it but I had a really good time hanging around with some of those people myself…. But they can also be drunken white supremacist biker assholes (with sidearms and wearing SS t-shirts who think Nazi flags with swastikas on em are pretty)... which - like it ot not - manages to figure into their general overall people-hood (for whatever political worth that is worth). You can not divorce yourself from the context of where you find these people and its a good idea not to forget that. For all kinds of reasons.  Even more so if you are pointing a camera at em. Your project wasn’t that difficult to flesh out in that respect. You just pretend now that you didn’t see the political intimacy of the people you pointed your camera at - or pretend the people you followed are not a part of the politics you made a film about. And I don’t buy it. You didn’t make a film about people outside of the context of politics. Stop pretending you did.

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But posting video depicting an obviously mentally ill young woman is needless and cruel.

I say with very little intended humor that lumping people like this in with the mentally ill is an insult to the mentally ill.
People who appear to be nasty pieces of work are nasty pieces of work until definitively proven otherwise.

I say with very little intended humor that lumping people like this in with the mentally ill is an insult to the mentally ill.
People who appear to be nasty pieces of work are nasty pieces of work until definitively proven otherwise.

I can’t argue with that.  Without clear evidence that she is mentally ill, one has to run with the assumption that she’s a spoiled brat (a very old spoiled brat) and a really horrible person. If she is, in fact, mentally ill, the person who should be chided for “using” her is Murphy, who’s using jenni, her mother, and her friends like an ATM for PAC funding.

I do agree with Brad that we should keep his wife out of this.  She keeps a fairly low profile and she hasn’t messed with us. I recently had a commenter on another blog I frequent take pot shots at Chris, who had no previous interaction with this person (as you can see, she doesn’t even participate here), and I was spitting blood, so I can sympathize with Brad’s request to “leave her out of this.”

I appreciate what you’re saying, Kevin, but if Chris got involved with a cause, influenced you to do a documentary about it, produced the documentary and appeared in it, then I’d say Chris was fair game.

But that’s just me…

Okay, okay - obviously the film is obviously about people AND their politics. What I meant was, the film is not a a polemic. When I wrote, back in October (?) in THE CONFLUENCE that my film would be “aesthetic, not didactic” in purpose, mqiq2xu responded by telling me, flat out, that I was lying. As if he was in a position to know. When I then cited Marat/Sade (a production of which I directed in Los Angeles back in 2000) as an example of a dramatic dialectic, he posted a 2-penny wikipedia article about the play and told me I was being deliberately cryptic.

Back in July, I accepted the job and I’ve spent the past six or so months creating the film. Making a film involves more than shooting, and it’s in the editing of a film that what you’ve shot begins to take on unexpected hues. It’s really that simple. Walking the line between trying to do something that is socially responsible and at the same time trying to illuminate the INTENTION of its subjects is difficult.

I mentioned my conversation yesterday with another filmmaker about the Audacity screener he’d just watched. He asked me what I thought the audience would take away from the film, and my answer was, essentially - “ambivalence.” He told me that his final impression of the PUMA depicted therein was that they were a rudderless group, and that Murphy didn’t know what she was doing. I was stunned, and asked him if his take had been colored by anything I’d said in the past several months about the project, to which he said “no, it’s all in the film. You start off liking her, then…”

When I was running around Texas, filming various precinct captains, my job was fairly easy. They talked about what they saw and heard during the caucus, I filmed them talking. Sarah Crenshaw introduced an undeniable diciness to the proceedings, but she was still a deeply committed and hard-working individual who clearly needed to be documented. When I filmed Riverdaughter and Darragh in Princeton, talking about the blogosphere, something of which I knew next-to-nothing, I began to feel a bit connected with them but did my best not to become too involved, for the sake of the project. Later, in Denver, the element of self-righteousness was coming into the fore. But there was a lot to do, so you shrug your shoulders and say to yourself “I’ll dealing with it in the editing.”

Then, completely unexpectedly, Tommy Christopher shows up and the entire project takes a sharp - and I mean SHARP! - left turn. Nothing was the same after that. And when Darragh skipped town one or two days later and the place went to hell in a handbasket, I got as much of that on tape as I could. Many prople have complained about tommy being in the film, but I can’t take him out because it’s only through Tommy being IN the film that some of the more questionable aspects of the PUMA organization are held up for scrutiny. Questions are danced around, equivocations are engaged in, and a general evasiveness takes hold. And you can actually see the entire PUMA headquarters fall to pieces in Darragh’s absence.

I’ve received suggestions that if I want the film to sell (presumably purchased by the PUMAs themselves), I’d better stop talking to Tommy Christopher and Rump Roast and maybe think about removing the stuff that makes the film “such a downer.” I can’t do that and I won’t do that. I’d rather take the loss.

My position is simple. If you haven’t SEEN the fucking film, you’re not really in a position to judge it.

I don’t really know if J4H is mentally or not.  I’ll say that the way she comes across to me is someone who has a need to be over-the-top passionate about something.  Let’s imagine for a second that instead of puma she became involved in cross-country motorcycle riding, so we never read her flameouts on pumapac.  I would still have the same objections to puma, because the real issue is Murphy, Chucky, and MyNotQuotient (my!q for C programmers).

These people use other people for questionable ends.  Murphy for money, Chucky for attention.  And, because they get off on hate.  My!q is just a garden-variety sociopath.

Hmm.  As I was just saying, garden-variety,... oh, that grossed me out.

I’ve seen that image floating around for years now, so I guess I left my gross out back in 2004 or something.

Perfect.  I now have a mental image to associate with myiq=0.  I always wondered what he looks like…

Can anyone explain to me the story behind myiq2xu=goatboy thing?  I know it originated at Balloon Juice, but that’s about it.

I’ll go along with J4H as “spoiled brat” rather than an actual victim of mental illness. I’ve known a lot of people with mental illness (hello, who hasn’t been on antidepressants or known someone who has used them in the last decade?) and they don’t behave like that. They can get manic, but when they do, it’s across the board, and they aren’t deliberately picking and choosing the times to let the crazy out.

Excusing her on those grounds is like letting guys off the hook who beat their wives or kids because they “just lost control.” No, they are perfectly in control. That’s what it’s about. They are lashing out at people they feel can’t hurt them or take retribution, instead of beating up their bosses or co-workers. J4H works the same way. She knows Darragh doesn’t dare shut her up or the Mommy Money Train pulls out of the station. So even when she says women who support Obama need an “ass whupping,” no one calls her out for her support of “women lynching.”

Fraudulent assholes.

Kerry Reid -

Well argued, but when I did a search on PUMA PAC for jenniforhillary, one of the items that came up was this little gem:

jenniforhillary 10.17.08 at 11:19 pm
QUESTION: is it illegal and/or will the Secret Service come hunt you down if you send someone poop in a box?

Jenni then offered to “borrow” additional poop from her friends, who would be willing to eat only corn and granola, presumably to make the poop even more horrid.

So Kerry, I’m not really into winning arguments but does this sound like a sane person to you? I mean, really?

(For the record, Murphy advised Jenni that “fake poop” would work just as well as real. While I dispute the claim, I applaud the intention.)

Brad, I’m sorry, but the Poop In A Box Test is not whether someone is awful enough to consider sending it, but whether that person believes it has magickal qualities, say, that it speaks to her.

Unless she cuts air holes in the box for it, she’s not insane, she’s just loathsome.

Brad, I’m sorry, but the Poop In A Box Test is not whether someone is awful enough to consider sending it, but whether that person believes it has magickal qualities, say, that it speaks to her.

One has to know when one is beaten! Thus, I fall on my sword!

Ave,Puma? Or et tu Puma? Or just what a long strange trip?

Or just what a long strange trip?

Improbability Drive, up full.

myiq2xu is an ass, the guy is another glenn beck type who can’t speak in complete sentences. he’s the token male on the confluence, all the rest are bitter women. I doubt that they are Democrats or even liberals.

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jenniforhillary appears to have borderline personality disorder at the very least.  She is also exhibitionistic and narcissistic.  I don’t think these problems qualify as “mentally ill” in the sense of not knowing right from wrong and therefore not being responsible for her actions in the legal sense.  Therefore I do not absolve her of any responsibility for her actions or anything that she’s said.  If she’s going to put herself in front of reporters with videotapes or on the airwaves, people really can’t complain when these things are played for public consumption.

Brad, I have seen your documentary and I’m sorry to say I didn’t think it was very good.  If you’re not already familiar with the PUMA movement it would simply be confusing and probably not very interesting.  There was one very funny scene, though, where Riverdaughter frantically tries to mute the cellphone and shut off Christina’s voice the way she mutes commentary on her blog.  So sad that it doesn’t work that way in real life.  And maybe that was the essence of the PUMA movement.

Can anyone explain to me the story behind myiq2xu=goatboy thing?  I know it originated at Balloon Juice, but that’s about it.

A fascinating topic, and one it would be fun to run by any long-time Balloon Juice regulars. Meanwhile, I did some digging.

Brad, I have seen your documentary and I’m sorry to say I didn’t think it was very good.  If you’re not already familiar with the PUMA movement it would simply be confusing and probably not very interesting.

Fair enough. At least you’ve seen it.

jenniforhillary appears to have borderline personality disorder at the very least.

At the risk of being tedious (but I have to justify the money the parental units spent to send me to school somehow), BPD is one of those annoying catch-all “diseases” largely applied to girls who behave badly. Or at least I never read a case study that didn’t feature a girl in her upper teens who talked back, skipped school and stayed out late. Egads, imagine a teen doing such unseemly things!

When I defended Hillary, the response I got was personal attacks and insults.

Bleats the homophbic little wanker. Considering the levels of shittiness he exhibited at BJ, calling him goat boner was a compliment.

coming from total strangers.

So only MIQflungpoo’s friends can call him a goat fucker. Noted.

BPD is one of those annoying catch-all “diseases” largely applied to girls who behave badly.

Possibly they behave badly because it gets them attention (and negative attention is better than no attention) and ultimately they get stuck in this pattern because it’s marginally working for them and they never learn different ways of behaving.  So the bad behaving pattern continues into adulthood and at that point hardens into a personality disorder.  I think that’s more a descriptor of jforh.  Not an excuse by any means.  Just a description.