I wish I could paste the photo of Fonzie water skiing in a leather jacket here.

The only conclusion that conforms to the facts is that Jane (and others) can’t deal with the realization that—as hugely influential as they are in their own minds—their role in shaping political outcomes is contributory at best, and—at worst—altogether decorative.

Now, she seems obsessed with proving to the world that even if she doesn’t have the mojo to get what she wants, she can still fuck things up for everyone else.

Victory through suicide. Brilliant.

Jane Hamsher seems to be trying her damnedest to try the patience of even those, like me, who have been inclined to give her a LOT of leeway, even if I didn’t agree fully with what she was doing.

But Jane, srsly, what the fuck is up your ass the past three days?

I wish I could paste the photo of Fonzie water skiing in a leather jacket here.

On that same note, from GOS:

One Cannot Jump a Shark

If they are riding it.

That’s our Jane!

Tom65 I wish you would just come out and say what you’re really thinking.

I’m not even sure that getting in bed with Grover is really worse than pining for a union with the openly hateful, xenophobic, patently anti-progressive teabaggers, it just makes it much more obvious.

God I’m glad I was never on the FDL wagon.

Yeah, it sounds like Jane’s coming unhinged.  Too much disappointment after eight years of rage can do that to a person.

I have to agree that this health care bill is a major disappointment but to think that being a whiny baby about it at this point is constructive is just plain dumb.

I don’t remember the “progressive” wing, or any other group of Democrats doing much of anything over the summer except pointing and laughing at the teabaggers..

Yeah, I went there.

I spend a lot of time trolling PC outrage junkies, so maybe it’s a “Deep Cover” kinda thing where I forgot which side I was on, man, but it seems like a shitty place to go.

I just want to shake some sense into her.  Am I wrong in thinking that once we get this bill into law then it won’t be a major battle to make some changes from time to time?

Damn, just realized I’d have made a fortune if I’d invested in Lipton stock earlier this year.

Tom,

I’m also very put off by Jane’s actions. I guess both her and Lambert have that adolescent rebellion thing going for them.

But, Lambert? Dude has the essence of bitter crystalized in his spleen. His degree of petulance is close to Shakespearean.

I don’t know, declaring open war on a Socialist from Vertmont because he voted for health care reform (and actually made a few improvements to the bill) is a tough act to follow. Lambert’s just a dog with bone; Hamsher is the poster child for “petulant”.

I think it’s shameful to criticize a person for passionate pursuit of good outcomes (in the progressive sense), pointlessly psychoanalyzing them about their “bitterness” and whether they are unhinged.  Way to trivialize the debate!  All I learned from this post is that locking in the industry’s control over health care, contrary to what Obama promised, doesn’t make you angry.  Well, it makes me angry, and those that enabled it hurt our collective futures.  As long as you quietly capitulate, nothing will ever change.  Faulting Jane and Lambert for “going off the reservation” sounds more like clucking hens than working for good outcomes.

Lambert’s a straight-up major league asshole and no one clucks louder than that fuckhead. In fact, he clucks so loudly and relentlessly that Jane Hamsher banned him from FDL. And regarding Jane, I’ve defended her plenty for pushing from the left, but when she starts pushing from the right, that’s unacceptable. And what “change” is she looking for with threats to primary Bernie Sanders, the most progressive congressman we have? Who’s she going to run against him, zombie Che Guevara?

You people are fucking nuts.

I’m all for good outcomes, but at some point you have to wake up and realize that Obama doesn’t have a magic wand. Pouting about the fact that Obama can’t write legislation and make all the progressives happy is not only silly, it’s counter-productive.

There is no such thing as a perfect bill. Ever. You take what you can get and you try and improve on it later on. Jane’s scorched-earth policy of uniting with people like Norquist and groups like Freedomworks and the Teabaggers marginilizes progressives even more than she thinks they currently are, and ultimately kills any chance of improving policy.

As long as you quietly capitulate, nothing will ever change.

Oh, brother.

Wrong room, watou. Open auditions for Godspell are down the hall. You can’t miss it. Just look for the skipping clown-people and the feathered boas.

Faulting Jane and Lambert for “going off the reservation” sounds more like clucking hens than working for good outcomes.

Yes, Jane and Lambert, hand-in-hand walking “off the reservation.”  With a minor correction: Lambert has spent the last year actively trying to disrupt and undermine the progressive blogosphere, including FDL.  His principal project has been various instantiations of PB 2.0, a blogosphere whose membership requirement is hating Obama.

Btw, watou, who the fuck are you?  As it turns out, I’ve been the principal organizer for half a dozen events in DC for Jane.  I support her, just not consorting with a guy whose life has been about destroying all public institutions.

No one could have predicted, etc.

Way to go, Jane.

There is no such thing as a perfect bill. Ever. You take what you can get and you try and improve on it later on. Jane’s scorched-earth policy of uniting with people like Norquist and groups like Freedomworks and the Teabaggers marginilizes progressives even more than she thinks they currently are, and ultimately kills any chance of improving policy.

You know, it’s not even so much that anymore. You can hate the bill, you can hate the process, you can hate the people pointing out the Senate math to you, whatever. What you can’t do, from a progressive standpoint, is go out and make common cause with Grover Norquist and the teabaggers. Or go on Fox News and willfully play the tool for them. That’s just crossing the line.

Wrong room, watou. Open auditions for Godspell are down the hall.

I spit up my coffee. Thank you.