Lincoln was no partisan

(Alternate title: Lieberplaque)

Since Obama is talking about the wisdom of Lincoln and his willingness to appoint political rivals to his cabinet, perhaps it’s useful to look at what some have said was a major deficit of Lincoln’s:  his inability to quickly dispense with those who weren’t serving the mission.

You see, there’s a story (controversial among historians) that, in its condensed version, goes something like this: The Civil War would have ended in 1862—and hundreds of thousands of dead young men would have been spared—if Lincoln hadn’t been so slow in relieving General McClellan of his command.

McClellan, a self-absorbed prick, did things his way, which usually meant not engaging the troops in a battle, even when prudent tactics called for one.  So instead of an early and decisive victory, there was a protracted war in which thousands upon thousands of Americans subsequently, and unnecessarily, fell to their death.

In the presidential election of 1864, McClellan ran against the man who had made him commander of the Army.

Hey, but in the end it all worked out.

Lieberplaque

It’s true that a few cheeseburgers won’t kill you, but is it necessary to dump all that artery clogging fat into your body? If Congress is the system, and the Democrats are now the lifeblood, Lieberman is the plaque.

Bring on the lipitor.

And who is ingratiating whom by keeping the worthless AIPAC tool around? Is this the message to AIPAC, that they’re still in charge?

Finally, HumboldtBlue did a little venting yesterday and I love him for it. I didn’t for one second take all his words literally. Some were spot on, but mostly his comment was an emotive bluster, which is precisely what these little communities are for. Who among us doesn’t do the same thing?

Then I read two other bloggers assert that Humboldt’s comment almost caused them to permanently leave the left blogosphere.

Wow, they put more energy into rebuking Humboldt than Obama put into dealing with Lieberman.

And Lieberman came within one cartoon character of being Joe the Running Mate—for the other side.

Maybe, just maybe, we’re all taking ourselves a bit too seriously.

Posted by poputonian on 11/19/08 at 04:07 PM • Permalink

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Who among us doesn’t do the same thing?

I haven’t blustered once and fuck you for implying that I have.

Mmmmmmua!

Totally off topic, blusterers, but:

Today’s PUMA Delusion:

KarenWI 11.19.08 at 3:04 pm

One thing I just do NOT understand. Bill Clinton… AND Hillary… are much much smarter than that. Why can’t THEY see what Obama is doing to them if WE can? At one time it was said that Bill Clinton was the smartest politician alive. Surely he wouldn’t “fall” for that would he?????

Denise, if you can’t stay on topic, I’m leaving the blogosphere. 4ever. I’m in charge of the blogosphere and what you’re doing is insubordination.

And by the way, that comment from KarenWI was hilarious.

I apologize in advance for doing this, but…

...thousands upon thousands of Americans subsequently, and unnecessarily, fell to their death.

I always thought most Civil war soldiers died because of rifles, swords, and disease.  I had no idea cliffs were such a threat.

@gimmeabreak: Ah, the classic “smart people are the ones who agree with me.”  What does Karen think ObJectOfHatred doing to the Clintons anyways?  Is it prohibited by the Geneva Conventions?

Denise, if you can’t stay on topic, I’m leaving the blogosphere. 4ever. I’m in charge of the blogosphere and what you’re doing is insubordination.

Tee hee.

Nice weaving in of Lincoln-McClellan there, pop. In another take on the Lincoln tip, I think this is about right.

That Obama, he’s a player.

Pup, you maybe in charge of the blogsphere, but I’m in the running for Internet Powerhouse.

Sean - Obambi has obviously hypnotized them just like the rest of us.

I fucking hate that Humboldt guy, the fumbledick.

I will, however, take issue with the McClellan reference. McClellan for all of his faults was an outstanding administrator and should have been kept in or near Washington to form units to re-inforce the Army of the Potomac. Yes, he absolutely blew it at Antietam (particularly after he was given Lee’s plans ahead of time), and his peninsula campaign was a joke,  but I’m not sure the war would have been shortened by any measurable length if Lincoln had canned him in early 1862.

That would have meant Meade taking over earlier, but the ol’ Snapping Turtle was another general not known for his alacrity in bringing Lee to battle. Would we have seen Grant earlier than we did? Prolly not, he was fully engulfed in the Vicksburg campaign.

Again, fuck that whiny fucknut, Humboldt.

Gimmeabreak—I can’t bear to read all 67 pages of that thing, though I do appreciate the “protect Democracy” footer.  I’ll just let commenter “dubyax3” speak for me:

Yes, he’s using a very verrrrry complicated form of hypnosis that utilizes thematic layering, cognitive reinforcement, structural consistency figuration, and veracity cross checking. It’s a diabolical system of credulity invented by a small cadre of godless subversives some time around the 17th century. Godless! It’s capacity for implanting conviction in the minds of those it ensnares is almost limitless since the tightjawed mesmerees that have become its victims tend to reproduce and reinforce the hypnotic technique by staring vacantly at textile codices for hours—a meditation punctuated only by the regular movement of the codex “leaves” at what one can only imagine are hypnotically productive intervals. Advocates of the system refer to it in a shorthand that we imagine refers to the re-emergence of the hypnotic god “Ason,” but we are quite sure that dangers of “re-ason” are to be avoided at all costs.

That link went to an aimai post, not humboldtblue’s.

I wanted to see what all of the fuss was about.

Strike that last comment.  I figured it out.

I’m not the sharpest tack in the box.

Also, vastleft bugfucker.

“If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time.”—Lincoln

Roastafarians are like onions. Or perhaps parfaits—we have layers.  I’m delighted to learn that we share another common interest: Civil War history.

If sacking McClelland earlier had ended the war in ‘62, it would have spared some of my relatives who died at the hands of the dastardly Yankees. Apparently all who were essential to my eventual existence were spared since, well, here I am. But undoubtedly my family would have had a wider selection of cousins to marry.

I have more to say on the Lieberdouche issue, but unfortunately, I have to go re-live the goddamned 80s via an elementary school production of Footloose. So more later.

Fuck you, Humboldt. You can disagree with me all you want, but my position stands: I love ya.

I understand where Humboldt was coming from.  you should have seen the letter I angrily pounded out to Patty Murray.

I could have been a tad (okay, a ton) more sensible.  but all that came out was seething, spittle-flecked rage.

Kevin, the first comment at the Drezner link you provided was quite astute.

I don’t know why everybody is running around tearing out their hair and gnashing their teeth over the Lieberman thing.  I mean, I guess I do.  But still.  These are politicians we’re talking about.  Serial liars, consummate insiders.  I’m neither surprised nor particularly enraged by it all.  Just another day in fucknutland.

It’s still way better than a McCain administration would be.

Did you guys see the video of Humboldt going crazy yesterday after he did his venting?  Why so angry Humboldt?

Everybody cut…....

Comment by iceberg wedge on 11/19/08 at 06:49 PM

Oh my word, Jesus Fucking Christ Tap Dancing on the skull of John Malkovich. I love that fucking movie, I absolutely love it. The best viewing I ever attended was an impromptu gathering once the bars had closed here in Arcata.

There were about 12 of us, a mixed crowd but everyone was pretty fucking lit. With bottles of liquor, small origami coke packages and weed scattered about the tables and counter tops this movie started at 3AM and we all sat there, lapping it up for two hours. That can only be topped by the same drunken crowd enjoying “Ice Castles” much in the same fashion.

John Lithgow, not whatever the fuck I wrote. Lithgow.

Oh, and the California Supreme Court has just decided it will hear three of the six separate lawsuits brought forth following the passage of Prop 8. There remains, however, a moratorium on any new same-sex marriages while the judges deliberate. One of the issues they will tackle immediately is what to do with the more than 18-thousand marriages already performed. Keep your fingers crossed.

I’m mostly where you are TRex. I know Lieberman is irrelevant, but I hold some lingering resentment that he takes up a space that someone else might make use of. I started to use an analogy of when Michael Jordan decided he would play major league baseball. I remember at that time thinking some young ballplayer would not make the roster because the world’s biggest ego wanted to prove he was more than just the greatest basketball player in the Universe. I decided not to use that analogy, though, since Lieberman is a douchebag, and not a Jordan. But it has occurred to me that the fuckwad is occupying a key position and by doing so is keeping someone else out. (Is it Bayh?) So the whole system works less efficiently, and thus the clogged arteries analogy. In any event, I agree with you that the cast of characters is what it is.

“emotive bluster”

that would be a good name for a blog.

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Yep, TRex and pop, in full agreement.  As I’ve said before, the best president ever as far as I’m concerned would be me, because I’d agree with everything I did. If I had to pick a current politician, it would be Bernie Sanders, but, ya know, fat chance (slightly better than me getting elected).  And of the last crop of candidates the Dems offered up, the only true progressive was Kucinich, but somehow I missed the kneejerk netrooters backing his candidacy.

But I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that he looked like an elf. Really.

What many of us want is something called leadership, that means making hard decisions, and convincing the people to follow. We haven’t seen anything like this from congressional Democrats in a long time. They always do whatever is easiest and whatever they think will least ruffle feathers instead of what is right. And you can’t tell me that there being consequences for helping republicans campaign while attacking Democrats isn’t the right thing to do. Lieberman should have lost that committee and not been given any committee having to do with international affairs. He’s reliable on domestic issues only, and that is what he should have been offered, while a loyal Democrat should have Homeland Security. These committee chairmanships are rewards, why are we rewarding a traitor to the party?

Much as I would love to see Lieberman tossed on the dung heap of history with Dubya and the rest (and his incompetence in running that committee is as much an issue as his attacks on Obama), I think Obama is playing Bogart to Lieberman’s Peter Lorre.


Lieberman as Ugarte: “You despise me, don’t you?”
Obama as Rick: “If I gave you any thought, I probably would.”

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