Orly Taitz now ghostwriting for Sarah Palin on her Facebook page

OMG, because Ben Smith’s birther post about Sarah Palin on Politico was picking up steam, she actually went there on her Facebook page:

Stupid Conspiracies: Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

The Sarah, it burns.

UPDATE: DKTV has the birther clip isolated and a transcript here.

MORE: Steve M. has an interesting take on this. I can understand his viewpoint, but the birthers have been solidly duct-taped to the truthers in Goofy Gulch, so I think it’ll be pretty hard to mainstream it.

HA!: Zandar...

Will nobody out there do their patriotic duty to protect Trig and ask all those Birther questions for Moose Lady?  Inquiring minds want to know.  After all, dozens of Democratic Members of Congress have gone on record questioning Trig’s parentage, so Democrats are just as crazy as Birthers…

Only…Democrats aren’t questioning Trig’s birth certificate.  (Sully is, but he’s just British and odd.)  Nice try though.

British and odd. Perfect.

UPDATE: Rumproast has been ticked! (click image to enlarge)

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MORE: One thing everyone’s missed is that Palin didn’t dismiss the possibility of running for president in the interview:

HUMPHRIES: Sarah Palin here on the Rusty Humphries Show. One of the questions Jason asks is would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

PALIN: I think the public rightly is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

Granted, it could have just been an oversight on her part, but interesting nonetheless…

Posted by Kevin K. on 12/04/09 at 01:32 AM • Permalink

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The stupid, it burns!  Wow, so now she’s fully “outed” herself as a birther. 

Not surprising, really, since she is nothing but a simple-minded right-wing demagogue, like Michelle Bachmann and Virginia Fox.  Inept fools who don’t think for themselves and believe any right-wing talking point and conspiracy theory they are spoon fed.

These people are usually part of the easily led “red meat” knuckle-dragging masses that the right regularly riles up and manipulates to keep themselves in power.  Now, an increasing number of these morons are obtaining prominent positions of political power on the right, which is just sad…and a tad bit dangerous too.

I don’t think she really believes the birfer stuff (I can imagine her being all over the McCain staffers begging them to get at “the truth”: They probably convinced her it was all crap & if it were true they’d certainly have used it) but I’m pretty sure she just doesn’t want to alienate those of her fans who do buy into it, so she’ll be weaseling around w/ “Ya know, lotsa folks do believe it, & if he’d just show his long form ...” until she goes away.

Okay so I read the comments on Ben Smith’s page

Supreme Court case law precedents establish that one must have two United States citizen parents (who can be naturalized citizens) in order to be a natural born citizen within the context of the U.S. Constitution.

Where did this person get this?  My ex’s cousin gave birth in the US in 1998.  I asked her how that affected citizenship (both parents are from NZ) because I thought the US didn’t allow duel (I’ve since seen a number of adults say they have duel) and she said she was told he can be both until he is 18 and then he has to decide which one to pick.  If he picks US he can be President at some stage because he was born there, right?

The above quote also doesn’t gel with people in the US who are anti illegal going off their tree that children of illegals are automatically US citizens if they’re born in the US.  I’m not sure if that’s still the case but it did use to be.

Palin wanted to have it both ways here, using the Hillaryesque rhetorical Eephus-ball of “Frankly, I have no reason to believe that Barack Obama craves Huge White Cocks and Heroin the way True Patriots crave Freedom.” But she fucked up by titling her post “Stupid Conspiracies.”

To a not insubstantial percentage of her fans, she may as well have said “As a converted Jew myself, I can truly understand why many decent Americans have legitimate questions regarding Christ’s ‘divinity,’ especially in the absence of any historical evidence that he ever, in fact, existed at all.” 

Angela Hanner Montondo
I am a little disappointed with this comment Governor. It’s logical to draw inferences about Barry’s birth certificate ( or lack of one) when he has spent millions to protect this elusive document. I appreciate that you don’t want to be drawn into the “debate” about a constitutional issue. But if you won’t stand up for that..well..what exactly is left?

If it’s possible to choke on your own dog-whistle, she may have just done it.

That’s right Sarah, make Sullivan’s obsession into another cause for a gripe. I wonder if all the fRightie blogs who’ve been going on about the Certificate of Live Birth Vault Copy Signed by Jesus and Sealed in Concrete Birth Certificate forever feel slighted because Sarah clearly has never read them.

We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were

No, paling around with terrorists and he doesn’t see America the way we do were your best shots and they both missed. Still, gotta love the way she takes another swipe at the Str8TalkXpress campaign.

Where did this person get this?

Their ass. And the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship.

Rebecca:

Where did this person get this?

The answer is “right out of their ass,” since the “two citizen parents” requirement has never been explicitly established in any Supreme Court ruling on citizenship status. Birthers get confused by dissenting opinions (as opposed to the actual rulings of the Court), and the grammatical expedience of using “parents” as a plural noun.

They also cite a 1758 review of European law (Law of Nations, by Emerich de Vattel), which was rather influential in its day and is believed to have been consulted by the Founders. De Vattel’s book codified the “blood & soil” notion of citizenship (born in the country of two citizen parents)—although he also asserted that Sovereign Rulers (like Obama) are immune to litigation, and that victorious armies are entitled to reward themselves with the women of their conquered enemies. 

In addition, the term “natural born”—which is a construction unknown in law outside of one reference in the US Constitution—first appeared in English translations of de Vattel’s book published after the Constitution was written.

If it’s possible to choke on your own dog-whistle, she may have just done it.

Yep. And it’s not like it’s that hard to wink at the crazies while preserving a subtle separation between yourself and the full-blown loons.

Gotta love the rationalization too: “it was seemingly fair game for many on the left” blah blah blah, as if she didn’t respond to the Trig questions with sputtering outrage.

@HTP:

Their ass.

This round’s on me.

Oh my my my.  The Rumpies just made my morning.

Somebody needs to start asking Sarah why she is making babies with an anti-American terrorist-paller-arounder.

Comment by Oblomova on 12/04/09 at 08:20 AM

Yep. And it’s not like it’s that hard to wink at the crazies while preserving a subtle separation between yourself and the full-blown loons.

But only for short periods, and if the crazies remain satisfied with the amount of red meat you can safely throw them.

We can see how well that’s working out for the GOP. At some point she’ll either have to go crowd surfing on the heaving mosh pit of madness or run away and hide. Sarah ain’t smart enough to pick Door #2.

MORE: One thing everyone’s missed is that Palin didn’t dismiss the possibility of running for president in the interview:

Yes, of course! She’s running, dammit. 100% certainty.

Here’s what I don’t get:  If the citizens of Alaska were better off without her leadership, why are the rest of us* somehow in need of her leadership?  That may just be a question that deserves a post.  hmm…

* What are we called?  Conties? (like Townies, except lower continent folks), 48-ers?  Can anyone from Alaska clear this up for me?

Yes, of course! She’s running, dammit. 100% certainty.

Certainly a lot can change in the next couple of years, but, yeah, if I had to guess I would agree with you.  And if I had to make a prediction I’d say she’ll lose the Republican nomination and run on a third party ticket. That’s only if her current popularity with the base remains about where it is today.

What are we called?  Conties? (like Townies, except lower continent folks), 48-ers?  Can anyone from Alaska clear this up for me?

Based on the disproportionate amount of fed dollars they get, I believe we’re called “meal tickets.”

Based on the disproportionate amount of fed dollars they get, I believe we’re called “meal tickets.”

Perfect, Kevin. I really wish more attention would be paid to the Red Welfare States who squall about “socialism” while sucking the Big Gummint Teat dry.

Excellent review at The New Yorker: excerpt below.

To judge from her book, the most exciting time in her life was the election of 2008, when she was embraced by the army of “everyday, hardworking Americans,” the “everyday folks,” and “thousands of regular Americans coming out with their signs” who mobbed her tumultuous rallies, thrilling to her odes to the “true America.” She gave them a “magnifying mirror.” They reflected her own image back to her. This adoration is kept alive today by the excited autograph-seekers in Grand Rapids and Fort Wayne, in the audience that gave Oprah Winfrey her best ratings in two years, and in the various advocacy groups that have sprung up to promote Palin for the Presidency: Conservatives 4 Palin, Team Sarah, Vets 4 Sarah, 2012 Draft Sarah Committee, Sarah Palin Radio, SarahPAC. The true meaning of Palinism is Sarah Palin—nothing more and nothing less. She is a party unto herself

Read more.

Comment by Jamie on 12/04/09 at 10:22 AM

Rumproast is so establishment now… Why don’t you and Megan McArdle just marry each other?!!

Sarah’s Hat is full of Wabbits

Rumproast is so establishment now… Why don’t you and Megan McArdle just marry each other?!!

We’re actually waiting for the day that we can marry Sully.

We’re actually waiting for the day that we can marry Sully.

Well played, sir.

We’re actually waiting for the day that we can marry Sully.

Just as Stanley Kurtz predicted! You owe him a big, fat, gay apology.

HTP: And the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship.

US State Dept: “Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.”

Of course, they still pulled the part about needing 2 US citizens as parents to be a citizen of the US out their ass. But dual citizenship is certainly possible. I’ve known quite a few dual US & Israel citizens and few dual citizens by marriage.

Comment by Loneoak on 12/04/09 at 11:55 AM

“Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.”

Right, because some countries’ laws allow for (or automatically confer) dual nationality. That passage merely recognizes that fact.

(In the next graph, assume we’re on the same page. Har!)

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.

We’re actually waiting for the day that we can marry Sully.

Whatever that man’s flaws, I’m certain he’d easier to live with than McArdle; plus he’d have better weed.

HTP: I’m pretty sure that legally speaking “does not recognize” is not the same as “does not mention.” Isn’t “does not recognize” equivalent to “does not allow”?

My understanding is that “does not recognize” means that, as far as US law is concerned, Obama Sr.‘s British citizenship doesn’t mean shit to a tree—or the Constitution—as far as Obama the Younger is concerned.

Birthers can cite the British Nationality Act of 1948 until they’re blue in the face, but unless they want to argue that British Law trumps the Constitution and supersedes US sovereignty, it’s a moot point.

Baby Obama had no conscious “allegiance” to the British Crown, which is what the Founders were trying to avoid. A competent zoning attorney could beat the “dual citizenship” argument if it ever gets to the Supreme Court, which it won’t.

HTP: I’m pretty sure that legally speaking “does not recognize” is not the same as “does not mention.” Isn’t “does not recognize” equivalent to “does not allow”?

Well, if we’re going to speak legally I could go on all day. But, no.

Let’s put it this way. Say your great-grandfather came from a country that states any descendant of a citizen who is born outside of the country has dual nationality. You’ve never been to the place, you can’t even find it on a map. Still, according to that country’s rules you’re a dual national. Now assume the country also has a draft and when it gets into a war it issues a worldwide call asking all countries to ship dual nationals back home so they can fight.

INS is not going to show up at your door with a pair of handcuffs. Why? Because so far as the U.S. is concerned, that country’s rules are meaningless. You’re a citizen of the U.S.

Whatever that man’s flaws, I’m certain he’d easier to live with than McArdle; plus he’d have better weed.

We may have a winner for comment of the day!

The question of course is will Sully and McMegan’s kid have a Kenyan birth certificate?

Sarah should babysit, however.  I’m sure the little tyke will enjoy teething on that stuffed moose.

Orly Taitz loses another round in Barnett v. Obama.

Not surprisingly, Orly is hot to contact Sarah.

Oh god British and Odd is at it again.

Just…Sully…no.  Let it go, man.  Let it go.

The Trigg obsession might have been Sully’s Jump the Moose Moment. Though his afternoon as a birther didn’t help his rep much.

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