Bahahaha! We never saw that coming, did we? I wonder if it’s possible to get a breakdown of individual contribution amounts? If I recall correctly, the PUMAs were supposedly donating in $20.08 increments so Hillary would “know” it was from them.

I hereby challenge any PUMA to prove that the group raised even a quarter of Bower’s “conservative” estimate of the alleged PUMA haul, i.e., $1.5M. If they can prove PUMA raised $1.5M within the timeframe Bower specified on TV, I’ll donate $20.08 to Clinton myself. C’mon PUMAs, put MY money where YOUR mouth is!

Betty, you forgot the roar.

I just noticed Blackwater also uses an animal paw for its logo. Bleech…..

I just noticed Blackwater also uses an animal paw for its logo.

A thought that popped into my head, last night, was:  How do you ‘estimate’ that Hillary rec’d millions of dollars in contributions over a weekend?  The money wasn’t going thru PUMA/JSND, so they didn’t have direct exposure to any numbers.  Blog comments and e-mails about contributions?  Any idea how many comments and e-mails you’d have to track and hold to arrive at an aggregate of $6-10 Million?  Not gonna happen.

Another point:  regardless of the specific amount they ‘raised’, the donations would have to come from people who either hadn’t donated to Hillary’s Primary campaign or, at the very least, hadn’t maxed out their contributions.  Why weren’t these heroes donating to Hillary’s campaign months ago?

Will Bower is a liar and an attention whore.

I found it soooo amusing when Murphy was questioned on Hardball about the conflicting announcements regarding contributions ($50K vs $6M)

Murphy: No, it was $50K
Shuster: Well, one of your spokesman said $6K.
Murphy: None of our spokesman said $6K
Bower: [crickets]

Will Bower is such a little puss.  He was the one making the $6M claims all along and he just let Murphy hang out there in the wind to fend for herself.  If I didn’t know whether or not Bower was a lying pussy before, I knew that when I watched the Hardball interview.  I was expecting him to correct his earlier reports with lame excuses when the $50K/$6M portion of the interview popped up and he just sat there.  I would have had a little more respect for him if he at least made an attempt to explain the inconsistency.  His silence spoke volumes about what a lying sack of shite he is!

I am SHOCKED. I can’t believe that Bower and/or Murphy would LIE. They seemed to be such upstanding citizens.

Mwahaha!

I wonder what their fellow cultists will have to say about this.

I wonder how far AWAY from Denver Darragh can get on the $25,000 she raised last week for bottled water and smelling salts at the PUMA Pavilion. This announcement could be the big, “Hey, what the—?” moment I’ve been hoping the PUMAs would experience right before the convention. This does not speak well for their “huge” numbers and unstoppable political clout.

Anyone have contact info for Shuster? He should get this as well.

Oh, and for the record, the 85 grand is about 4.3 cents per PUMA. The power of the masses.

roar (sorry)

I emailed it to the generic Hardball address.  I’m guessing Tommy or Christina will email it to the Hardball producer they contacted before. I just emailed it to a bunch of people, including The Daily Show. Does anyone have any direct contact info for them? They’re definitely filming the PUMAs in Denver on Monday. Still time to get this to them.

Roooowwwrrrrr ....

sorry, I just wanted to get in on all the roaring. That’s a California roar if you didn’t know. Sounds different than other roars, knd of sleepy and sweet in a tough roaring-like way.

Thank you for your time.

That was beautiful Humboldt. So dignified and classy, yet completely terrifying at the same time. Lemme try: Rowrrrr!

I emailed this to a bunch of people. Hopefully someone will bite.

I’ll try a Seattle roar:

gurglegurglegurgle phffft SSSSS

uhhh…what?  what was I doing…oh yeah, rroar?

Dude!  I almost forgot to roar!  ROFLMAO!!!1!

OK, well, this is FINALLY penetrating the hive consciousness of the comments threads at PUMApac and HillaryClintonForum. First reactions are a very satisfying, “WTF? I thought we paid her debt OFF!!!”

This will only get better as the afternoon unfolds.

Uh-oh. The “WTF?” thread got pulled at the Forum only moments after it appeared. Not ready to drop the bomb just yet, apparently.

From PUMApac:

today Puma PAC is helping over 100 Pumas get to Denver from more than 20 cities all around the country

100!  See, there are more than 60 PUMAs!

Oh, and for the record, the 85 grand is about 4.3 cents per PUMA. The power of the masses.

Poputonian, I think I donated more to Hillary’s campaign and I didn’t even donate to Hillary’s campaign.  Let me explain:  I bought the Obama book The Audacity of Hope.  Barack Obama gets paid some money for each book sold (I assume).  Barack Obama donates the max to the Clinton Campaign, some of which could have been my money from the purchase of The Audacity of Hope.  Ergo I donated more money to Hillary than the average PUMA.  RRRROOOOAAAAARRRRRR

Truly, PUMAs are as numberless as the blades of grass, and as well-funded as the Bowling Team from my neighborhood bar!

Soon they will be heard, and they will change the world…God willing and the bus don’t break down.

The “WTF?” thread got pulled at the Forum only moments after it appeared. Not ready to drop the bomb just yet, apparently.

BTW, StrangeAppar8us, I’m a big fan.  You’ve been killing on the YouTube thread. Bravo.

Thank you, Kevin. I got a couple of decent shots in, but I haven’t been able to make a serious project out of it. ;-> Anyway, it seemed the comments section already eminently well-defended.

You’re right about the new thread on HCF, and the contrarian logic at work. If you count June AND July, you sort of get a number kind of like the low end of what Will Bower claimed for the July 4th weekend, only. And, anyway, $1.3 million is a LOT of money, really, if you squint real hard, and if you just write off the $13 million Hillary tossed in a bonfire. And, hey, there goes Elvis! Er, um, PUMA!

PS: PUMApac is taking the “Mistakes were made. Will Bower was misinformed” tack, and belittling the commenters who posted the story.

These aren’t the ‘droids you’re looking for. Move along.

Impeccable logic, iceberg, and t4toby.

This is what I love about rumproast ... roasters can get into the deep-thinking mindset whenever it’s needed to take on a formidable challenge. PUMathmeticians at their best.

ColoROARdo here we come!

ColoROARdo here we come!

That is brilliant.

Soon they will be heard, and they will change the world…God willing and the bus don’t break down.

Whoops! HCF has pulled the thread AGAIN. Looks like Bella and Writerchick are taking this mudfight to one of the private dungeons.

iceberg wedge—Yer killin’ me! I saw the Winnebago over at riverdaughter. This guy looks like he came with the rental agreement.

Impeccable logic, iceberg, and t4toby

Thanks Poputonian.  I agree with Kevin,

ColoROARdo here we come!

is brilliant.

iceberg wedge—Yer killin’ me!

I did it for Hillary.

Anybody check McCain’s FEC filings just in case? Given Darragh’s penchant for throwing money at him to..save the Dems, or something…I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s $50K from PUMA

ZOMG. One of the HFC commenters finally says it:

I thought I’d heard something about $6-10 million over the Fourth of July, too.
Argh! There have been so many times when I’ve heard Obots say, “If you all care so much about Hillary Clinton, why does she still have a sh*tload of debt?”... and I’ve said, “On the contrary, PUMAS raised $6-10 million by the first week of July!”

Bah. I feel dumb now. Guess I should have checked my facts.

Guess I should have checked my facts.

But then s/he wouldn’t be a PUMA anymore…

Hopefully, after Denver, they will change their battle cry from “We Are the Ones No One Was Expecting” to “Bah. I Feel Dumb Now.”

On July 10, 2008, I received the debt information from two sources,  John West (of the “300” Petition, “ClintonDems”, “Democracy Workshop”, and “I Own My Vote”) and Cynthia Ruccia (of “Women for Fair Politics”).

Both West and Ruccia later contacted Caren Turner (of “ToGetHer4Us”) to confirm with her that they had indeed been my sources.

John West later went on to reveal his source as having been Jamie Brazil—a cousin of Hillary Clinton (as he has been described to me)—who (according to West) had received that information in a conference call with Clinton finance-team leader, Jonathan Mantz.

There were other witnesses who had heard such information being generated by one or more of the sources listed above, namely, individuals within the organization “Real Democrats USA”... although they themselves were not responsible for passing that information on to other sources.

This is how it came to pass that I shared this information with the media.  We now know that this information was faulty.  At the time, however, I had believed these sources to be reliable ones.

Hey, look, Will is throwing people under the bus just like Obama! Everyone gather ‘round!

Naive or just stupid?

This is very different to what it told PUMA lot