Unscripted, and workin’ that long hair. I like it!

perhaps a tad giddier over Gaddafi’s death than State Department protocols would encourage.

I blame that misogynist Obama.  If he hadn’t nominated her for such a high post, she wouldn’t have had the chance to look so overly giddy in a CBS news interview.

we enabled murder and extra judicial killing, plain and simple..yes he was a thug but he had to face his day in court..but we let desire for revenge get the better of us again.

we enabled murder and extra judicial killing

Yes, and our other choice was enabling murder and extra-judicial killing by not doing anything.

Morality is tricky.

we enabled murder and extra judicial killing, plain and simple

Which was, oddly, fine and American and chest-thumpy until 1/20/09.

A commenter at b-j mentioned that cops kill citizens without a trial in the US all the time. Good point, commenter!

Rather than wringing our hands over Joseph Kony and Moammar Gaddafi, maybe champions of civil liberties would be better served concerning themselves with this type of street level justice?

Correction:

That was no commenter! That was HumboldtBlue in the Rumper Room.

With a lead pipe.

Yes, and our other choice was enabling murder and extra-judicial killing by not doing anything.

Morality is tricky.

and why is it our business to solve the worlds problems? i guess as always the difference lies in the idea on whether or not its the USA’s responsibility to be the worlds policeman..

If we are involved in the world’s business, selling the world our things, buying other things from the world, exploiting the world’s natural resources, exploiting the world’s labor…

And if we had a big heavy hand in creating the world   as it exists today, some responsibility will fall on us whether we like it or not.

and why is it our business to solve the worlds problems?

Why not?  No, we don’t have to solve every problem, but if we have the resources and the time to, I dunno, stop a mass murder, I say stop it.

and why is it our business to solve the worlds problems? i guess as always the difference lies in the idea on whether or not its the USA’s responsibility to be the worlds policeman..

Have you even been following any of this or do you just want a forum for belching up hair balls?  Since you obviously need educating on this, the U.S. acted as part of NATO, under a U.N. Security Council resolution, to enforce a no-fly zone in Libya. I don’t think America should be the world’s Batman either but this was not a case of unilateral and endless invasion.  It was an example of how countries acting together can protect people from ruthless, exploitative dictators who consider murder and extrajudicial killing of their own citizens as all in a day’s work.

You could also use a refresher course in the use of the apostrophe.

To run for president of these tenuously United States at all is already to have betrayed the pure world of simple black and white morality. If Obama and Hillary were true progressives, they would have eschewed the system entirely, have had no effect on the world at large, and cultivated their status as victims of the P.T.B. and the mainstream media. Instead, they’re riding the tiger while other mainstream media victims of shining purity complain.

Have you even been following any of this or do you just want a forum for belching up hair balls?  Since you obviously need educating on this, the U.S. acted as part of NATO, under a U.N. Security Council resolution, to enforce a no-fly zone in Libya. I don’t think America should be the world’s Batman either but this was not a case of unilateral and endless invasion.  It was an example of how countries acting together can protect people from ruthless, exploitative dictators who consider murder and extrajudicial killing of their own citizens as all in a day’s work.

yes it was such a noble mission that Obama had to bypass Congress’s permission to get this done. Oh yes Poland, Great Britain, Australia and Spain and some Palau too joined us in our fight with Iraq..so that justifies our Iraq war. So the UN sanctions this war, so that makes it ok? Since when did we start swimming in so much money and now we have money to send bombs to help Libya..and when a hawk like Bob Gates cautions us against going in there, and we still do it, that doesnt bother anyone?

and oh yeah lets not forget that oil has nothing to do with this…

but let me guess, you are so apoplectic that you will resort to name calling and picking over my grammar because you know I am right in some ways ..you are no different than those GOP operatives looking for an excuse to blame Obama.

Motherfucker you’re “right” in the sense that my left nut is right when it tell my right nut it smells funny.

Did you read anything that was written in response to your teabaggery? A murderous dictator was brought down by the combined efforts of an international coalition without a massive invasion, without the help of bought-and-paid-for NYT reporters and their yellow cake uranium.

You’re being mocked for being a tool, that means name-calling, sarcasm and more mockery. Save your shit for Firedoglake where simplistic moralists go to wipe each others tears as they flap at the wind and bemoan the use of political, economic and military power to rid the world of a man worht getting rid of.

You want to moralize that shit go to Greenwald, but motherfucker until you can take your same whinging and apply it to your own fucking neighborhood—say when a cop shoots down a wanted and dangerous felon without the use of arrest and trial you can do us all a favor and have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

The world is a better place now that old Momo got his just due.

So “we” killed him as part of enforcing the “no-fly” zone?  What was he doing, flapping his arms?  Help me out here, people.

The late colonel certainly isn’t any loss to the world, though I’m not sure that the tale of how he was going to do a major massacre absent Western action is any more believable than the ZetaQuds strike force story.  To the extent that US and Yurp participated from idealism, I think they were snookered.

Maybe waiting a few months before doing the victory dance might be prudent.  There seem to be some seriously competing interests in Libya right now, and I think civil war is going to be the way of life there for a long time.  Not that I’m trying to be negative or anything, of course.  That might harsh the Secretary of State’s mellow, and she definitely was hitting the good stuff for this video.

Gad, I hate these fucking whiners, mewling about the rights of terrorists and mad men. I blame these crumbs for the crap going on now more than the wingers, because the ‘baggers give the wingers cover. If the GOP wins the prez in ‘12, I’m switching sides, because I want to be on the front lines when the professional left is taken out.

I’m not an American history expert but didn’t we have some help from elsewhere during our own revolutionary war? I figure our own history makes us sympathetic to other revolutionaries who are trying to overthrow oppressors.

Big Bad Bald Bastard,

Quelle surprise!

You want to moralize that shit go to Greenwald, but motherfucker until you can take your same whinging and apply it to your own fucking neighborhood—say when a cop shoots down a wanted and dangerous felon without the use of arrest and trial you can do us all a favor and have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

Geez, Greenwald himself lives in Rio de Janeiro, where extrajudicial killing of poor children by police is common. On the other hand, they treat rich, acquiescent Americans quite well.

didn’t we have some help from elsewhere during our own revolutionary war?

That was the famous murderer LaFayette.

strange, also too Pulaski and Kosciuszko.  You forgot Poland.

though I’m not sure that the tale of how he was going to do a major massacre absent Western action is any more believable than the ZetaQuds strike force story.  To the extent that US and Yurp participated from idealism, I think they were snookered.

Actually I believe the intelligence was pretty good.  The army of Libya did not do an Egypt and support the rebels - they were firmly in Kaddafy’s pockets (since he was signing their paychecks).  At the time the Security Council voted to intervene the Libyan army was bearing down on the rebels in Benghazi with pretty much the intent of massacring them.  You can always second guess these decisions but they made a tough call and I think it was the right one.

Hard to say where Libya will go from here but the dictator responsible for executing and assassinating several thousand of his citizens won’t be part of it.  Too bad, so sad.

Hard to say where Libya will go from here but the dictator responsible for executing and assassinating several thousand of his citizens won’t be part of it.  Too bad, so sad.

Juan Cole is quite upbeat about Libya’s future.

Maybe waiting a few months before doing the victory dance might be prudent.  There seem to be some seriously competing interests in Libya right now, and I think civil war is going to be the way of life there for a long time.  Not that I’m trying to be negative or anything, of course.  That might harsh the Secretary of State’s mellow, and she definitely was hitting the good stuff for this video.

I agree with you, lacp. As I said a few months back, it’s going to be messy. The alternative futures in front of Libya at the point NATO intervened were also indescribably messy. So this happened. Ghadafi’s gone. If there are parallels, I think more of Ceaucescu. That’s a hopeful note, BTW.

didn’t we have some help from elsewhere during our own revolutionary war?

They were just after our oil.  Whale oil.

I thought getting involved in the Libya mess was a dicey proposition. I can understand the argument for doing so and don’t think it was trumped up (unlike Iraq); I remember seeing live reports and vids from people on the ground—not US journalists, actual Libyans—who certainly seemed to be convinced they were about to be exterminated. And IIRC, Mad Mo wasn’t exactly coy about his intentions.

That said, I think there were good arguments against it too, which I found convincing at the time. But now? What’s done is done. WE didn’t kill Ghadafi—the people he screwed for 40+ years did. I hope they find their way now that he’s gone.

WE didn’t kill Ghadafi—the people he screwed for 40+ years did.

Exactly. They can’t pin this one on the Kenyan Hit Man. Even the Pubbies think England and France had more to do with it than he did. ;-)

HumboldtBlue, I’m afraid the tea parties are pretty much your allies on this one.

Don’t be afraid, Amherst, it’s just a fucking blog, a blog called RumpRoast. Have a beer, set a spell. The world is a big, big place and one of the nastiest fuckers sucking up the air is now gone, that at least deserves a simple toast to the 25-thousand or so civilians who have died in Libya in the past six months or so. Not to mention to unnamed thousands who disappeared under Mo-mo’s regime.

But yeah, we should have arrested him.

But I do thank ye, Amherst, regarding my error in identifying a firebagger as a teabagger. For that, sir or madam, I toast you! (it’s water at this moment, but soon, soon it will be beer. Poorly crafted, crap-ass, cheapo American beer, but beer nonetheless.)

HumboldtBlue, I’m afraid the tea parties are pretty much your allies on this one.

Yes, well, occasionally, racist, nativist, slope-browed Islamo-hate does overlap with humanitarian interventions in the name of justice and/or pragmatic self-interest. However, it’s the Tea Party trogs who are bitching the loudest about the cost of this enterprise, and Obama’s reluctance to kill Gaddafi faster.

Keep shooting, Amherst. Eventually you’ll win the Kewpie Doll.

HumboldtBlue, I really appreciate your spirit on this one.

As far as I am concerned, whether we are talking Ghaddafi, Osama bin Laden, or Hussein, wherever and whenever a murderous bastard can be taken out of the game, it’s Miller time.

And I say this as one who has been in war and understands the costs of accomplishing the deed.  I think President Obama was wise to join this coalition, and I have tremendous appreciation of the coalition’s effectiveness in carrying out its mission.

Incidentally, I am a conservative, but I am not an ideologue.  There’s a big difference.

Hey, you kids should stop this bickering about ‘oo killed ‘oo, and just agree: Blingee Must Die!

That’s the serious discussion, y’know.
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I’m not an American history expert but didn’t we have some help from elsewhere during our own revolutionary war? I figure our own history makes us sympathetic to other revolutionaries who are trying to overthrow oppressors.

Yes, but OUR revolution wasn’t followed by simmering geographical/philosophical resentments that eventually developed into full-blown horrible bloody civil war…oh wait.

JP, while we try to make an effort to be sensitive to the concerns of our readers, Blingee ain’t goin’ nowhere, yea though it causes some people to fall in a fit and bite the carpet.

Blingee is a good fit for the Rumproast site, and shareholders of, and stake owners in both organizations will be pleased and enriched by the continued forward-thinking leveraging of synergies inherent in this continuing symbiotic relationship.

JP, that’s a bit of surprising rudeness, coming from a decent guy like you, especially given that you just showed up here. You kinda did that sort of thing over in Atrios’ comments, in trying to get the proprietor to adopt Dirk Gently’s commenting system. But you’re long-time well established “family” over there (and Dr. Black ignores his commenters anyway.

Be a courteous house guest, mkay?

NO BLINGEE,  NO PEACE!!!!

Be a courteous house guest, mkay?

Oh my. We do take ourselves quite seriously here, then?

My mistake!
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We’re you serious about the Grand Mal seizures, JP?

If so, your sense of humor is beyond my limited level of sophistication, in which case it is I who must apologize for my inadequacies.

If not, well then, I missed the snark. Apologies offered for that scenario as well.

No Blingee, no nookie!

Yes, JP, Rumproast is known for its pernicious strain of self-importance, and we cannot possibly fathom your implacable, stalwart lightheartedness. Sorry to have mistaken your iredescent soap-bubble whimsy for unnaccountable dickishness!

And such small helpings!

didn’t we have some help from elsewhere during our own revolutionary war?

I think the French volunteered and was on their way to back us up, but being French, they took their sweet ass time about it. Sex orgies, and lots of wine and cheese, watching too many bad Vadim pics with Barbarella flaming the G spot machine.

They finally got here, for the victory celebration, and sang some French revolutionary ballads and shit.