What a Long, Strange Trip it’s Been

The US primary campaign is horribly long, and around 18 months ago I realized that I’d been distracted by shiny things and the drudgery of plodding through the dreg end of Bush II’s reign, and it was time to refer for guidance to my in-house politics wonk and life partner, Ms. YAFB, an ex-pat American who actually had a vote in the election.

Me: So bring me up to speed. I know Hillary’s in the running, but who else is there on the Dem side?
Ms. YAFB: Well, there’s one guy who’s quite interesting. He’s raised a lot of money from small donors so far.
Me: Yeah?
Ms. YAFB: He’s black.
Me: Riiiight. That’ll be interesting.
Ms. YAFB: His name’s Barack Obama.
Me: Oh God. You know what the wingnuts’ll do with that - sounds like “Osama.”
Ms. YAFB: His middle name’s Hussein.
Me: *facepalm*

My reaction probably wasn’t unique. In fact, a bunch of commentators and bloggers, including the you-know-whos, never got much beyond that stage, albeit from different perspectives.

I was pretty apolitical as a callow 20-year-old, and remember saying to a very earnest socialist, who was appalled at the prospect of Mrs. Thatcher being elected, “What does it matter? They’re all as bad as each other.” Ashen-faced, she tried to counter this in-depth analysis, and I did listen. But after the 1979 election, I was to learn a very hard lesson indeed.

I’ll need to romp briefly through the 1980s because I doubt anyone here’s in the mood for a history lecture and you’ve all got your own stories, but let’s just say the UK went through a very rocky period of an unrealistically strong currency plus high inflation, and industrial and social unrest in the effort to combat it. From where I was sitting, it seemed she decided that if whole sectors of the electorate were never going to vote for her party anyway, then she might as well do her best to abolish them, or at least try a little culling (Some reading this will see this period differently - Thatcher is a divisive figure to this day, and dominated my earlier life quite enough, thank you, so I’ve no intention of rehashing arguments where no one’s mind’s likely to change at this late stage, you’ll have to forgive me any bias, and I’m happy to agree to differ).

Finally paying attention, it was the raging of the Cold War that really caught my eye. The UK had long served as one of the US’s unsinkable aircraft carriers, and it was announced that nuclear-armed cruise missiles would be based at Greenham Common, not far from where I lived and worked. When Reagan came to power in 1981, the much-vaunted UK-US special relationship grew even more special.

Then 1982’s Falklands War gave Thatcher a popularity boost and helped her win re-election in 1983, and things got heavier all round. Some got rich, some felt they were getting a bit richer, and others - quite a few of us - in fact, a fair proportion of a number of generations went - in modern parlance - Galt, Ms. YAFB and me included (that’s how we met and ended up living together in Scotland, but that’s another story).

It may be hard to believe that some of us thought that Thatcher and Reagan wanted to blow up the world. But the saber-rattling on both sides didn’t do much to dispel this idea. In fact, maybe we weren’t so far wrong.

Anyway, that all panned out, as you already know - Bush I took up the reins after Reagan, eventually handed over to Bill Clinton, Thatcher fell, then Tony Blair took over, on the platform that he wouldn’t change much at all, just run it better, and we’re sat here joyfully reaping the peace dividend that the end of the Cold War unleashed. The US and UK still enjoy close ties - economic ones arising from that earlier period, for instance, a few bits of intelligence hardware, and some of our politicians and other notables even go on regular jollies together. The End.

Oh, wait. There was that little matter of Bush II getting elected (or not, but I don’t want to reopen old wounds) and the horror of watching neocon  after neocon crawl back out of the woodwork of the Reagan and Bush I years when we’d hoped or assumed they were all dead. I won’t labor this as it’s part of all our recent history, but that was one heck of a white-knuckle ride, folks.

And that’s roughly where we were when I had my little discussion with Ms. YAFB up top there. I really, really didn’t want to see those bastards continue as they had been going. And I’m afraid that Senator McCain didn’t really give me any confidence that history wouldn’t repeat itself and that he would be in a position to withstand another neocon zombie resurgence. The clincher was his pick of Palin, heralded by some as a “hail Mary pass.” From a British perspective, it looked more like what we call in Rugby football a “hospital pass” - you’ve got the ball, you see one of your team’s players with a pack of the opposition’s 220-pound forwards thundering towards him, and you let him have the ball, and all the fun.

I’d never paid much attention to blogs before then. I’d surfed plenty of news and activist sites, done long and tedious battle on a number of forums, but the few blogs I’d visited resembled the endless comment sections of online media articles where people seem to mainly rant to themselves. Advances in artificial intelligence have made these all but redundant, but luckily I happened upon an exceptional blog called Yes To Democracy while trying to figure out what in the name of Harry Hill PUMA was, and why commenters from an international sportsgear firm kept cropping up regularly on other blogs, spouting invective and calumny about Senator Obama and his crew.

Our Rumproast host, Kevin K., was one fairly regular YTD visitor like myself, along with a number of others who nowadays blog or comment here. Through them and my own searches, I eventually ended up with a blogroll as long as one of Michelle Obama’s arms. But once the election ended and YTD focused much more on the activities of the birfers, I felt it less appropriate for a non-American to comment about US constitutional matters, so I followed Kevin and the crew here. And they haven’t been able to shake me off since.

And now, for some reason, my name’s in lights and I’m all of a sudden a co-blogger! Somebody fan me, please.

Oof. Well, I’m obviously quite intimidated by the talented company I’m in, and I’ve no idea what I’m going to offer as post subjects for as long as I have a roof here. I’m very much a “more to life than politics” type nowadays, but it keeps thrusting itself under my nose, so it’ll no doubt feature at times. But you’re already well catered for there by my co-bloggers.

Maybe I’ll offer some snippets from the UK political scene. Now, my problem there is that US politics is so damn colorful. But we do have our own brand of outrage, and indeed poutrage, that may occasionally give you a chance to point and laugh.

Expenses and fat cats seem to be flavor of the month over here in recent times - always a sign that whatever the outcome, a general election is LONG overdue. And yes, I’m nowadays disturbingly close to regressing to that snotty 20-year-old and declaring “a pox on all their houses” again.

Fresh from hauling UK bankers over the coals in a similar fashion to you folks, now it’s our politicians who’re having to say “Sorry” - thanks not least to the efforts of one Heather Brooke from South Carolina, whose Freedom of Information Act inquiry into the money our MPs get as living allowances stirred the pot, until somebody leaked most of the details she was after to one of the daily papers anyway.

As a taster, and just to shore up the stereotypes some of you may have about us Brits, an MP called Douglas Hogg has been embroiled in a hoo-ha over whether or not he had his moat cleaned at taxpayers’ expense. - Outrageous, of course. The rest of us in the UK have to clean our own moats. (And yes, yes, by all means yack it up at his name. We already laughed our fill over here about his dad, the positively Dickensian-sounding Quintin Hogg, Lord Hailsham. I have just two words for you - Newt Gingrich - glass houses much?)

Consider this an open thread. Share a bit about how you came to be here, or wherever you are, or just take this as only the first opportunity to hurl brickbats at the noob.

Meanwhile, here’s a bunch of hippies whooping it up in a field somewhere. For old times’ sake.

UPDATE: Douglas Hogg, 3rd Viscount Hailsham, has now announced that he will stand down at the next election. Presumably to spend more time with his moat.

Posted by YAFB on 05/18/09 at 03:37 PM • Permalink

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Fantastic story, YAFB.  So glad to have your commentary!

Great first post YAFB! (But then I’m biased), have to admit I was a Thatcher fan, but it was hard to be in the WRNS during the Falklands and not admire her resolve on that issue.  My mother reckons Tony Blair was one of the best conservative PMs the UK ever had (in my mother’s best snark of course).  She was filling me in on the moat cleaning this weekend, I just thought it was hilarious, politicians appear to be the same the world over, in it for their own pockets (while taking it out of everyone elses), although I think the moat situation may be unique to the UK.  I arrived at RR like you I think, via YTD, or it could have been BJ.  I used to post on the Drudge Retort but things got too silly after there and it was hard to have a decent debate about anything.  Now I post here, BJ, and Politijab while visiting Wonkette for the hilarious commenters.  I occasionally drop by Pumapac and the Confluence to see what the “outrage de jour” is, for instance today it is Robert Gibbs saying something about special interest groups lobbying for a particular SCOTUS appointment and saying it was probably counterproductive which the PUMA’s in their infinite wisdom have somehow translated to read:(I think their babel fish has the swine flu) WOMEN AND THAT INCLUDES YOU GINSBERG SHUT UP WE MEN FOLK ARE IN CHARGE!  IRON MY SHIRT!  Or something.  Anyhoo, great first post YAFB I shall particularly look forward to your updates on the tomfoolery back in the old country. 

PS) In October of 07 I was in a pre-trial conference with a bunch of assistant DAs, lawyers and a Judge and someone said “so who is going to be the next president?”  I said “Barack Obama” and they all laughed at me “are you INSANE there is no way he can beat Hillary” at which point I smiled and said “just you wait and see”.  I should have put money on it I suppose.  :)

Oh YAFB, what a fantastic maiden post. Gordon Brown’s antagonist could have been drawn by Rowlandson himself, you give us “poutrage” and the speak-ur-brains website (featuring the twat-o-tron, which should generate poutrage aplenty)and a Ron and Nancy poster. It’s the sort of thing that should be savored with a glass of port in front of a crackling fi——what’s that? Oh dear, I’ve fallen into the Anglophiliac cliche trap!

Oh well, as long as I’m here: smashing opening, YAFB!

Mae fy hofrenfad yn llawn o lyswennod!

That useful Welsh phrases site doesn’t lie.

Great post, YAFB!

One small detail. Your link to the article about the Soviets almost launching in 1983 has some errors. It actually reinforces your point, but what we were told in the service is that the Soviet launch control was an AUTOMATED PROCESS. They wouldn’t initiate launch, they could only prevent it. It happened several times.

I’ve always been curious how Brits felt about us when we were busy driving ICBMs in and out of Holy Loch. They were certainly very hospitable hosts, but I’m not sure I’d be a happy camper if the roles were reversed.

Thanks, justlen. I can’t think of a clear, simple way to update the post to reflect your info, but it’s certainly an eye-opener.

As for how people felt about the Holy Loch around Dunoon, etc. - mixed, as it’ll always be around a military base, especially a furrin one. I think it rankled a bit that if there was a situation of high tension, the entire base could effectively cut and run, and that may have caused some concern, but we had plenty more to contend with around here.

It brought jobs to the locality, of course. The US Navy certainly left its mark, not least in terms of some of the kids born in and out of wedlock. It wasn’t a terrible neighbor in some ways, but it left behind a lot of more or less noxious gash that had been thrown overboard from the sub tenders over the years. But that says more about our authorities’ shortcomings in terms of lax regulation, really.

After a shaky period and quite a bit of investment, the Dunoon area seems no worse or better off than anywhere else along the Clyde nowadays (if you visit, you’ll see a lot of changes). As you’ll know, Holy Loch formed an unholy triangle with Faslane and Coulport, the local Royal Navy submarine bases which host the UK current nuclear force (and I live smack - I won’t say bang - in the middle of that triangle).

Whatever, you’ll probably know that folks over here are mostly a soft touch for an American accent, uniform or no, what with the family ties and such. If you can get out of a taxi without being asked where you’re from, and if you say, “New York,” for instance, without being asked, “Ah! Do you know so-and-so?”, then you’re a rarity indeed.

And to the rest of you - you’re too kind. ;) But Mrs. Polly - beware some of those translation sites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Gn6a3WbYw

Good post YAFB, not sure I agree with you about Thatcher, (I was in London and I guess that puts a different spin on things), but then I agree to disagree with you on that.

You missed out a PM, John Major (he was only in office for 7 years mind). If we only had the problems he faced then we would be in a much better position. His trouble was that he was boring and his that MPs (and much later found out him) could not keep their pants under control. I doubt anyone would forget Gordon Brown in a hurry.

I was looking for a candidate to support in the US Elections. Their politics have always interested me. I found the Democratic Underground and various other sites. I started to tip my toe in to the water of US politics by being a rare opposing voice. I was banned and tehn found Tor.

I found the Anti Puma movement as soon as I found the PUMA movement. They really did shock me. It would be like discovering that Labour MPs were also members of the BNP.

I found Rumproast when the blog elections started and I tried and failed to promote the idea that the PUMA bigots were removed from Democratic list of blogs. I have enjoyed it ever since.

YAFB, thanks for the comment, that’s pretty much exactly what i expected. It’s always a love/hate relationship around military bases. When I was stationed in Norfolk I remember the “sailors and dogs keep off the grass.”

I wasn’t really part of the “tear up the town” crowd. As a nuke we were busting our ass during refit the minute we arrived. In 4 patrols out of Holy Loch I got a grand total of 5 days off. I went to Edinburgh. The hospitality was unbelievable. I had similar experiences in Australia and New Zealand.

I think I can tell a story without getting in trouble. On one patrol we had a flooding that knocked out our 400Hz generators. That powers the nav and weapons systems. Because of that we had to “come off alert” meaning we couldn’t cover our target packages. We then did the very rare thing of coming up and transmitting that we were off alert.

So, SOP for that is in order to cover our packages they launch the B-52’s and they orbit just outside Soviet airspace. I’ve often wondered how they reacted to seeing us launch and fly directly towards their borders.

Crazy, crazy times.

(PS - you also seem to neglect the work of Guido Fawkes a mad libertarian in the expenses explosion).

(PS - you also seem to neglect the work of Guido Fawkes a mad libertarian in the expenses explosion).

Not so much “neglect” as had to leave stuff out to avoid a 5,000-worder that would no doubt have had Kevin scratching his head about what he’d unleashed. But please feel free to add to or correct what I’ve said, as ever.

Same with Mr. Major. I’d probably have had to take some time to explain who he was, which maybe says something (apart from the trousers thing he seemed a decent enough sort, though I give myself a slight pat on the back for not giving myself an excuse for a cheap shot about the infamous traffic cones hotline).

LOL @ YAFB. I guess from our side of the pond, what I find hard to understand is the lack of Party loyalty from “Blue Dawgs”. To me it would be like Blair being elected and his MPs always voting with the Conservatives. (May have helped with Iraq if they had voted with the Liberals but hey ho).

Then again, I find it hard to be convinced that any PUMA (including Siksind) was ever a member of the Democratic Party.

I will add that British submarine commanders are the best in the world. Bar none.

I can not give Major the traffic cones hotline, that and the “Citizens Charter” introduced management of public services by Performance Indicator. Which has all but destroyed real service delivery.

My priorities have recently shifted to stopping real NAZIs getting elected.


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Comment by TheBigotBasher on 05/18/09 at 07:41 PM

Maybe I’ll offer some snippets from the UK political scene.

Yes, please!

Whenever I hear Thatcher mentioned I get this song this song stuck in my head.

I happened to be in England just before she announced she would GtFo. I missed a hell of a party by a week.

Great first post.  Of course, you have now set a high bar for yourself.

As for how I came here…  I would have to do some Googling to reconstruct the exact sequence of events, but I used to hang out at MyDD after Kos got too big and TPM Cafe “upgraded” its software.  Hey—they were smart sites back in the day.  Then Alegre and her pets invaded MyDD, and I eventually got tired of dealing with both them and Jerome’s banning antics.  I forget how I found this place, but I quickly realized it was inhabited by people who could handle both good conversation *and* mockery of Hillary dead-enders.  What’s not to like?

Sean - mocking the Hillary dead enders made my year during the Primaries (PS you can change your name back on stupid PUMAs I am being consistent with this ID now)

Great stuff, YAFB! I was studying in London the first half of 1985 and the first concert I went to at Brixton Academy was a benefit for the miners (Woodentops, Everything But the Girl, and Aztec Camera was the lineup, as I recall). My relatives in Thurso (my paternal grandfather came from Wick, but I never knew him) were Thatcherites, but a fellow American friend had moved over the same time as me and begun squatting—first in Peckham (eeek!) and later in Camden. So I think I got a peek into many different viewpoints on Mrs. Thatcher. I remember the “Thatcher can really screw you up” ad that was a parodic response to the “heroin really screws you up” PSA. And I remember marching in an anti-apartheid rally sometime that summer—when I returned to the University of Missouri, the divestment movement was in full swing and a couple of my friends got arrested for shantytown squatting on the quad.

Not sure how I came here to Rumproast. I was an early Obama supporter, but was really okay with Edwards and Clinton too—more skeptical because of what I saw as their not-so-great records in the senate, but anyone other than the GOP was fine. Was turned off by Hillary supporters in general who started the “Obot” and “Kool aid” and “Messiah” nonsense with me—and yet couldn’t make much of a case for why her experience/legislative record was so much more awesome than Obama’s. And when I started being lectured on my feminist duty to support Clinton from women who then felt it was perfectly feminist and logical to vote McCain/Palin, well—that was that!

Just got back from a public event at the Goodman Theatre in conjunction with their production of Stoppard’s “Rock ‘n’ Roll”—two local rock critics (Greg Kot and Jim DeRogatis) did a talk on politics in rock, etc. We were asked to send in our ideas of seminal protest music, and I realized that it had been a good long while since I’d listened to the Poison Girls and Vi Subversa, so now I’m looking up old stuff on YouTube! Vi is pushing 74. Can you believe it?

YAFB, nice post!  I confess that although I am 3/4+* Brit, I have little or no understanding of British politics.  Don’t get the relationship between PM and royalty and why royalty is necessary in the first place.  So I am always amazed at how much you are aware of what goes on in the U.S. politosphere.  And ALWAYS enjoy your funny perspective on things PUMA and birfer.

Found the Rump myself through a link from DailyKos to Kevin’s priceless, iconic post about the failed PUMA convention.  I was relatively new to the blogosphere myself at the time.  Finding myself frustrated and bored by the pablum being fed to readers daily by the MSM, I had ventured into blog territory looking for more information.  From there I found DailyKos, TPM and others and, as I say, one day linked here to read ***The Perfect Blog*** both for the fun and interesting posts and the great commenters.  It seemed like one of the few blogs where the commenters carried the conversation forward rather than just saying “cool, I agree” or “you suck!”  I stuck around and the rest, of course, is history.

*I have 3 grandparents from Devonshire, Yorkshire and Wales.  The 4th, whose surname was Cornish, is from a family that arrived here 1600ish so has presumably been diluted from pure Anglish to something Americanish but nobody knows the extent to which I am tainted.  My appearance, I believe, is mostly Welsh.

Welcome aboard, YAFB. I’ve long enjoyed your perspective and wit and am proud to be among your co-bloggers.

and a Ron and Nancy poster.

Pretty sure that’s Ron and Maggie.

Me, I found my way here during the Weblog Awards brou-ha-ha (brou-ha-ha?  Ha-ha-ha!) and was captivated by the awesomeness.  And now that I’m stuck on the blogroll I just can’t quit you.

Congrats on your big posting, YATB!  Very much enjoyed hearing your backstory.  I too didn’t really pay any attention to the blogosphere prior to the 2008 election & found this site, Yes To Democracy and others as a result of looking for a sane compilation of explaining the crazy of the PUMA’s, birthers, and other GOP nuttery.  Always appreciate the quality of humor here and check it regularly.  In the rare occasions where I post, I intentionally mostly post straightforward responses, as opposed to funny ones, because others have usually said it better and funnier than I could, so no sense to compete with that, even though in real life, I express myself via witty humor quite often.

Anyways, your post inspired me to share back.  Look forward to reading more from you in the future.

oh, man, i really don’t know how you people survived spending as much time as you apparently have at the birfer sites.

I intentionally mostly post straightforward responses, as opposed to funny ones, because others have usually said it better and funnier than I could, so no sense to compete with that, even though in real life, I express myself via witty humor quite often.

Hey, G, there cannot be too much witty humor in this world.  Feel free to express yourself!  We will laugh, I assure you.

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