What Paul Krugman said

From The Shrill One:

What the folks at Firedoglake should ask themselves is this: do you really want to become just like the right-wingers with their endless supply of fake scandals?

I eagerly await the FDL petition to get Krugman fired from The New York Times. They can get Bernie Goldberg to endorse it! And I’m honestly not sure if I’m joking about that. That’s how bizarre and out-of-control things are getting over there. [hat tip gimmeabreak]

Posted by Kevin K. on 01/11/10 at 12:41 PM • Permalink

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I must admit about being confused about how much of Gruber’s money was his HHS grant and how much was paid as a consultant.

“Become” is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Reminds me of this very awesome bit from Speed:

Howard Payne: There’s gonna come a time, boy, when you will wish you never met me.
Jack: Mister, I’m already there!

FYI/FWIW, there has been a response from FDL.

Comment by RglrLrkr on 01/11/10 at 04:32 PM

I was able to make it through, like, two paragraphs. Jane really needs a fucking editor.

BooMan’s take is good.

Ruh-roh!  In a very long post, Da Head Honcho at FDL responds to Krugman her own self.  And she is NOT a happy camper!

Comment by RglrLrkr on 01/11/10 at 05:55 PM

Well, that does clarify my question above about what money was what.  I hate to say it, but she may have a point and may have caught Krugman being lazy.

Not so sure, gimme.  Here’s what the contract (grant?) with HHS involved:

On February 25, the Department of Health & Human Services began a presolicitation of Gruber’s services on a “sole-source basis” to “developed a proprietary statistically sophisticated micro-simulation model” to analyze, advise, and report on all the elements relating to insurance.  The HHS synopsis says:

  The information will facilitate the Office of Health Reform’s efforts to develop proposals to increase access to affordable health insurance for all Americans.

What he signed up to develop was a model that he or other experts in this field could use to evaluate HCR proposals. Jane seems to be conflating this with peddling a particular theory:

Gruber was brought on board to do what everyone knew he would do: use his models, and his credibility as an academic at MIT, to promote the excise tax.

But he wasn’t brought on to promote the excise tax. He was working to develop a mathematical model.

I am asked to develop simulations to examine various design parameters in my own area of expertise. But, that doesn’t come with any guarantee of my conclusions. All bets are off on that front.

I agree with AltHippo.  Jane’s rather shrill rant implies that the administration developed the idea that the excise tax was the way to go then basically bribed Gruber to develop a “research model” that would support that.  In fact it appears that the statistical models he developed pointed in that direction and that’s why it was added to the bill and is being supported by the White House.

The fact of the matter is that tax free employer provided health insurance is unfair to all Americans who pay for health insurance on their own with after tax dollars (unless they are self employed and can deduct it that way).  Imposing an excise tax so-called “Cadillac” plans is, in fact, one way of beginning to address that inequity.

In my heart of hearts I believe either everyone should be able to deduct health insurance premiums or no one should.  But taking away that tax-free status for all the people enrolled in employer plans or paying for it as self employed individuals would cause a massive uproar and probably couldn’t be implemented.

That’s “imposing an excise tax on so-called Cadillac plans”.  Too lazy to go into admin and correct it. ;-)

I thought this was a fair comment on the FDL thread:

I suspect that Gruber sees himself as an independent academic receiving research grants to study the implications of public policy options by running them through his models. He would likely be incensed by the common accusations in this thread that his opinion has been ‘bought’ by the research contracts he receives. Krugman certainly sees him that way:

The only reasons you might see this differently would be if Gruber were either receiving a sweetheart deal, or seemed to have changed his views to accommodate his sponsors. Neither is remotely true. Gruber is very much the go-to guy on modeling reform: it’s hard to think of who else could be doing the work better. And his position on reform has been entirely consistent.

The problem I have about this debate is that it focuses on Gruber’s character / credibility, when it should focus on the integrity and validity of his HCR micro-modeling.

I should add that Marcy is no hack, and Jane may just have been in circle the wagons mode.

AltHippo, that last paragraph in your blockquote is what actually concerns me about the Gruber contract - a sole-source award to develop a proprietary model.

WTF?  Unless Gruber is the only person out there capable of this kind of work - and how sad would that be? - how could competition (i.e., multiple ideas/approaches) NOT be welcome in the process like this?

The most charitable view I can come up with is that Obama’s team saw (correctly, I think) that time was of the essence in the Congressional political sausage-making, and they simply didn’t have the luxury of a more drawn-out process to get the technical expertise inputs optimized the way one would like for something this important.  But, I dunno…

AltHippo, that last paragraph in your blockquote is what actually concerns me about the Gruber contract - a sole-source award to develop a proprietary model.

Actually, this is really common in my world. Someone has an algorithm that’s been developed over a number of years, and gets a government agency to fund the next step.

These days this is usually done through an SBIR grant. But, if Gruber works for MIT, then he’d have to look for funding through various government agencies.

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